Free Speech is based on the color of your skin (4031 hits)
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Submitted by (V) (View user info) at 2007-04-12 09:37:35 EDT
First and foremost, I am deeply sorry if I offend anyone with this article I've written...........wait, no I'm not.
I am a proponent of free speech, regardless of race, sex or creed. I thoroughly enjoy watching black comedians tear into white people, calling them crackas and honky mothafuckas. It's HYSTERICAL. Dave Chapelle is a comedic genius, and much of his comedy is based upon racial issues. The entire idea behind free speech is that anyone can say anything they want without fear of retribution. This is why it deeply saddens me to see what is going on these last few days with Don Imus and the ensuing media frenzy.
What most people don't understand that this is no longer about Don Imus and some stupid comment that he made because he's pushing 70 and doesn't understand what's ok to say and what's not ok to say. He obviously heard this slang over and over and over again, not from his white friends, but from a section of the black community, more specifically, the entertainment industry - rappers and lyrics that degrade African-American women and call them hoes and worse. He heard them say it, and figured, "hell, if I've heard it 12,000 times from RAPPERS, it MUST be ok." Let's face it, Imus is a nobody, he was just trying to be cool, and this is just a cover for the bigger issue.
What frightens me the most is not Don Imus or what he said. It's about the chilling effect this entire incident will have on free speech. No longer will you have the constitutional freedom to say what you want without fear of losing your job. Radio DJs on Hot 97 ridicule and lambast white people on a DAILY BASIS, and you know what? I don't care. I find it funny. No one throws a fit over that. To make up for the grave injustices done to African-Americans over the years by white people, the scales have been grossly tipped to the other side.
Sorry, two wrongs don't make a right. I am not a white devil, and I don't appreciate being called one.
I DO appreciate the fact that people like Kamau Kambon are given air time on international television station like CNN to air their views, even though he is calling for the extermination of all white people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0FI82DOuxE
I thank God that he is allowed these freedoms, because that means that everyone is allowed the same freedoms, right?
Wrong.
It doesn't matter if Don Imus is a redneck, it's about setting the boundaries
of comedy and crippling free speech, (he IS a comedian, and has based his entire
radio career around comedy) and allowing opportunists like Al Sharpton
to take advantage of situations and abuse the system. The guy said something
stupid, he apologized (PROFUSELY, to the point of embarassment) yet it's not
good enough.
"I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
to say it"
- Not Voltaire
"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the
troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public.
Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they
have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs. Partly because
they want sympathy, and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not
want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their
jobs."
There is a certain class of race problem-solvers who don't want the patient
to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an
easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make
themselves prominent before the public."
Booker T. Washington - 1911
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Please read this article written by a black sports columnist named Jason Whitlock. Normally, I shouldn't have to bring up the fact that he's black, but today, during this ridiculous "crisis", it seems appropriate.
http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html
Imus isn't the real bad guy
Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist
Thank you, Don Imus. You've given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.
You've given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.
You've given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.
Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it's 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.
The bigots win again.
While we're fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I'm sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent's or Snoop Dogg's or Young Jeezy's latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.
I ain't saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don't have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.
It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.
Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.
It's embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.
I'm no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.
But, in my view, he didn't do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should've been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it's only the beginning. It's an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.
I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.
Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.
Somehow, we're supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers' wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.
But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.
In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?
I don't listen or watch Imus' show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it's cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they're suckers for pursuing education and that they're selling out their race if they do?
When Imus does any of that, call me and I'll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you're not looking to be made a victim.
No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There's no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.
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Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2007-08-30 16:16:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2007-04-19 03:41:17 EDT (#)
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Freedom isn't free
it costs folks like you and me
there's a hefty fuckin' fee
And if you don't throw in your buck '0 five who will?
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-18 22:14:56 EDT (#)
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hehe
Look at you!
Nice work fella.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-18 16:18:43 EDT (#)
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lol u r a gee-nee-us
Submitted by PerkMan (user info) at 2007-04-18 15:53:04 EDT (#)
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This is idiotic. Racism hurts those that have been disenfranchised. If you haven't been disenfranchised by racism that it really doesn't affect you. Method your a fucking uneducated twat. Have fun working at Circuit city.
Submitted by QueenAshlee (user info) at 2007-04-18 15:29:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Durae (user info) at 2007-04-16 11:44:53 EDT (#)
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This is idiotic.
The racism and sexism inherent in mainstream hip-hop does not make it okay for racism and sexism to exist elsewhere. This should be obvious. When something is wrong, everyone doing it does not make it right. Hip-hop is a clear-cut example of corporations running speech. If you are against the idea that these companies are limiting free speech, consider the generic messages (of consumerism, misogyny, and violence) that all hip-hop shown on BET, MTV, etc espouse. It's pretty obvious that this is an issue of marketability, same as with Imus, except that his marketability bit him in the ass.
I think hidden's comment is hilariously (and unwittingly) appropos of the shortcomings that white people have when discussing racism:
<B>call me a whitebread cracker honky all you want. i promise, it won't hurt me deep down in the depths of my soul and make me cry. i'm better than that.</B>
What I find so hilarious about this quote is that OF COURSE racist slurs against him aren't going to cause him an ounce of pain. WHY? Because he is fucking white and does not experience racism as degrading, disempowering, threatening or hurtful. He's "better than that," ie privileged to the extreme. This is also why he cannot discuss sexism in any meaningful way. He (and most of the commenters here) has no basis of experience with which to understand how racist jokes create a culture of hate and serve to genuinely hurt people who live in the culture. And he never will unless he bothers to STFU and listen to the people complaining like they're real human beings who have a right to be included in public discourse.
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Well, I can experience sexisim in a real and tangiable way, and for my part, that's a load of fucking bullshit. For every one guy that doesn't want to give me a job or apartment or whatever because I'm a woman, there's ten more who would hand over the keys to their car or fire some guy and give me his job just because I have tits. Yeah, it sucks that people are racist or sexist or ageist or incomeist (yes i made those two up) or whatever reason people want to discriminate against other people, but NOTHING'S EVER GOING TO CHANGE IT. And the things our nation has offered to minorities, in my eyes, maybe doesn't make it all better but at least evens it out some... Affirmative action, anyone? Or, hey, go try to get financial aid for school - how much money do your parents make? Oh, you don't qualify... Wait a second you checked something other than caucasian on your application? My bad!
As for Don Imus, yeah, what he said was offensive and fucked up and inexcusable. But SO IS EVERYTHING ELSE HE'S SAID FOR THE LAST THIRTY FUCKING YEARS! Why is it NOW that we start to care?
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-17 01:59:19 EDT (#)
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you know, Durae, words only have power if you allow them to. saying a white male could never understand the "plight" of blacks and women simply due to inexperience is not an argument.
the strong blacks and women i know have no problem with the words "nigger" and "hoe". they realize that not a single person on earth is always going to be treated fairly and with respect. that's just life. you can rise above it once you learn to stop acting like a weak victim all the time.
maybe you've heard of Jackie Robinson. at a time when blacks played baseball in negro leagues seperate from whites, he decided he was above racism and was going to prove he was a man just the same as the whites and became the first to break the color barrier in baseball. i respect that tremedously and it proves my point. what people like you do is play the victim and don't even realize people treat you indulgently because they don't want to hear your bitching. no one respects that. if you want respect, you have to earn it.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-16 21:21:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Durae (user info) at 2007-04-16 11:44:53 EDT (#)
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This is idiotic.
The racism and sexism inherent in mainstream hip-hop does not make it okay for racism and sexism to exist elsewhere. This should be obvious. When something is wrong, everyone doing it does not make it right. Hip-hop is a clear-cut example of corporations running speech. If you are against the idea that these companies are limiting free speech, consider the generic messages (of consumerism, misogyny, and violence) that all hip-hop shown on BET, MTV, etc espouse. It's pretty obvious that this is an issue of marketability, same as with Imus, except that his marketability bit him in the ass.
I think hidden's comment is hilariously (and unwittingly) appropos of the shortcomings that white people have when discussing racism:
<B>call me a whitebread cracker honky all you want. i promise, it won't hurt me deep down in the depths of my soul and make me cry. i'm better than that.</B>
What I find so hilarious about this quote is that OF COURSE racist slurs against him aren't going to cause him an ounce of pain. WHY? Because he is fucking white and does not experience racism as degrading, disempowering, threatening or hurtful. He's "better than that," ie privileged to the extreme. This is also why he cannot discuss sexism in any meaningful way. He (and most of the commenters here) has no basis of experience with which to understand how racist jokes create a culture of hate and serve to genuinely hurt people who live in the culture. And he never will unless he bothers to STFU and listen to the people complaining like they're real human beings who have a right to be included in public discourse.
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yes, Durae, i was born with a silver spoon up my ass and i have NEVER been discriminated against based on the color of my skin or gender....
another dumbass that loves to play the victim.
almost weekly i am treated like the white devil when i go somewhere where there is a group of blacks. what did i do to deserve that? not a goddamn thing. i was immediately judged by the color of my skin. i went to get some food yesterday and the black guy behind the counter wouldn't even look at me. he had a look of disgust on his face the whole time he dealt with me and acted as though i was a lesser being. then some blacks came in and he started smiling and joking with them. when my food was up, i got a "HERE!" as it was shoved in my face. is that fair? oh wait, it doesn't matter if it's fair, my ancestors weren't slaves, right? i'm the white rich kid with every opportunity in the world, right?
there are a couple bosses above me that are black. they treat me the same way. as if i was some kind of piece of shit. i work 100 hours + most weeks and get paid for much less hours. i am the best of the best and the most dedicated. i've spent thousands upon thousands of dollars and 10 years of my life becoming the best i can be. i go to Iraq when no one wants to go. i go to Afghanistan when no one wants to go. i am everything an employer looks for and i don't even ask for a fat salary.
guess who gets promoted before me? the black guy with no more seniority and less than half the knowledge and dedication than me who is already getting paid more.
i guess the black guy deserves it though, huh? i mean, his great-great grandfather was a slave for god's sake!
you can go fuck yourself right up the ass, Durae. you couldn't sound any more ignorant if you tried. i'd expect just as much from you, though. feminists play the victim just as much as the blacks.
you act like women and blacks don't have the exact same opportunities i do. everything i have, i worked for. i started from scratch and built my success from the ground up with no help from anyone. i went from being homeless to making a six figure salary in a year because i was willing to bust my ass. i grew up in East St. Louis and those black kids had every fucking opportunity i had. they just chose not to take them. instead, most of them chose a life of crime. then they have the nerve to wonder why oh why a white person would call them a nigger. there are cultural and societal issues that need to be seriously looked at by the black community that have absolutely nothing to do with whites.
ps- here's another post i wrote on the subject for you to read that you will no doubt say is ignorant because i'm just some rich, privileged white boy, born with a silver spoon in my mouth and the world in my hands because of the color of my skin. http://www.ubersite.com/m/100543
pps- you're a nappy-headed ho.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2007-04-16 17:56:49 EDT (#)
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didn't you know that white people also are responsible for the crack problem in black society?
Submitted by ChristPuncher (user info) at 2007-04-16 16:18:39 EDT (#)
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amen ma dirty greek bro
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Submitted by GetNakeddd (user info) at 2007-04-12 09:49:42 EDT (#)
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is Shlongy stupid or something? You said the guy was black
you should have accepted my marriage proposal when i asked the first time....
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Is "You should have accepted my marriage proposal when I asked the first time...." the female equivalent of: "Do you still beat your wife?" -- or maybe even that has gone genderless by now(?)
No matter. I liked the post. I believe it is important that people have the opportunity to say what they think without fear of persecution. However, I also feel that people should think a little before saying something.
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Do you know who Spanish_Class was?
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I vex the pollock that I AM BECOME mustard.
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-16 12:02:09 EDT (#)
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This morning, Power 105, a hip-hop radio station, announced that it was going to make every effort to eliminate offensive material from their airwaves, which, I'm sure, will include the use of the word nigger, as well as music that degrades women, and other material.
At first, I was happy that this was happening. Then I realized that i was torn on the matter. On one hand, I'm glad to see some of the hypocrisy with this situation being eradicated, but on the other hand, this just makes matters worse, as it increases the amount of censorship on the radio.
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A hip-hop station taking off all music degrading and offensive.....
So it will be 23 hours of dead-air, and an hour of Boys 2 Men. Sweet!
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-16 12:02:09 EDT (#)
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This morning, Power 105, a hip-hop radio station, announced that it was going to make every effort to eliminate offensive material from their airwaves, which, I'm sure, will include the use of the word nigger, as well as music that degrades women, and other material.
At first, I was happy that this was happening. Then I realized that i was torn on the matter. On one hand, I'm glad to see some of the hypocrisy with this situation being eradicated, but on the other hand, this just makes matters worse, as it increases the amount of censorship on the radio.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-16 11:56:30 EDT (#)
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haha poor Durae, the white man (Bart) always keeping her down
Submitted by Durae (user info) at 2007-04-16 11:46:55 EDT (#)
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and I was so excited about using the tags too. :( damn.
Submitted by Durae (user info) at 2007-04-16 11:44:53 EDT (#)
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This is idiotic.
The racism and sexism inherent in mainstream hip-hop does not make it okay for racism and sexism to exist elsewhere. This should be obvious. When something is wrong, everyone doing it does not make it right. Hip-hop is a clear-cut example of corporations running speech. If you are against the idea that these companies are limiting free speech, consider the generic messages (of consumerism, misogyny, and violence) that all hip-hop shown on BET, MTV, etc espouse. It's pretty obvious that this is an issue of marketability, same as with Imus, except that his marketability bit him in the ass.
I think hidden's comment is hilariously (and unwittingly) appropos of the shortcomings that white people have when discussing racism:
<B>call me a whitebread cracker honky all you want. i promise, it won't hurt me deep down in the depths of my soul and make me cry. i'm better than that.</B>
What I find so hilarious about this quote is that OF COURSE racist slurs against him aren't going to cause him an ounce of pain. WHY? Because he is fucking white and does not experience racism as degrading, disempowering, threatening or hurtful. He's "better than that," ie privileged to the extreme. This is also why he cannot discuss sexism in any meaningful way. He (and most of the commenters here) has no basis of experience with which to understand how racist jokes create a culture of hate and serve to genuinely hurt people who live in the culture. And he never will unless he bothers to STFU and listen to the people complaining like they're real human beings who have a right to be included in public discourse.
Submitted by ripple (user info) at 2007-04-15 23:08:27 EDT (#)
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i must say, im not a huge fan of the bold/italics.
Submitted by Rammer (user info) at 2007-04-15 13:27:52 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Rammer (user info) at 2007-04-14 00:46:00 EDT (#)
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I'm not sure if this was a joke but there is no constitutional freedom to keep your job if you screw it up. It was a business decision to fire him, so what. For example I can't expect to call my boss a "Nancy" (great word, by the way, thanks for introducing me to it) and expect to keep my job on the grounds of free expression. I'm sure with all this publicity he will find a job elsewhere anyway. This has nothing to do with the first amendment.
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Rammer, if you could elaborate on your argument for a moment: Are you saying that the loss of your current and future job prospects, defamation of your character, and the harassment of your family and loved ones is outside the bounds of the first amendment?
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I think you're mixing up issues here. Defamation is obviously illegal, and if that's happened, Imus has the right to sue whoever (whomever?) is defaming him. There might be similar recourse for the harassment of his family, etc. None of this has to do with the first amendment. It has to do with the reality that your words have consequences, maybe from your employer and maybe from other individuals. But hopefully never from the government.
Submitted by thorpe (user info) at 2007-04-15 11:13:58 EDT (#)
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Do you know who Spanish_Class was?
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Submitted by Spanish_Class (user info) at 2005-05-08 00:25:10 EST (#)
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I vex the pollock that I AM BECOME mustard.
Submitted by darko (user info) at 2007-04-15 04:47:30 EDT (#)
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Freedom of Speech doesn't mean freedom to say whatever you want without consequences. Imus was a representative of CBS and MSNBC, and they are entirely within their rights to fire him if they think his personal views and actions bring harm to their companies, let alone his on the job performance.
That said, this entire thing was ridiculous, and +2 always for Whitlock.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-15 02:18:11 EDT (#)
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sure, he can say whatever he wants under the First Amendment. it was a business decision to fire him, hands down. no one is throwing him in jail for what he said. what's wrong with that? if your job is to talk and you say things your employer doesn't want to represent, your employer should have every right to fire you. it's like Coca-Cola hiring you to promote their product and you start telling everyone that they should drink Pepsi instead.
good lord, is that ever easy to understand.
i think he is an old man that is out of touch with some of the modern day issues, like race and the acceptable ways to joke about it (when i say acceptable, i mean acceptable to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and the politically correct police. most people don't care except blacks who want to play victim). i don't think he is racist at all. he just wasn't too aware of the way his intended joke would come off to other people. i think it sucks he got fired and it's a shame that a man trying to raise millions of dollars for children with life threatening diseases will no longer be able to do so because some people didn't like the fact that he tried to use the term "nappy headed hoes" as a joke.
call me a whitebread cracker honky all you want. i promise, it won't hurt me deep down in the depths of my soul and make me cry. i'm better than that.
Submitted by maiorano84 (user info) at 2007-04-15 01:38:13 EDT (#)
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I disagree. Sure, the government isn't enforcing any sort of punishments for people speaking their minds. But by the same token, it shouldn't matter WHO punishes outspoken people. What matters is the fact that people are being punished in one way or another.
Take your pick:
A) The government arrests you because you expressed an idea that is, at best, "off-color"
B) You lose your job because you expressed an idea that is, at best, "off color"
C) You shut your mouth and voice no opinion ever, simply because it's easier than talking and risking somebody's feelings getting hurt
Me? I would pick C because I like having money. But the fact is, we shouldn't have to make that kind of decision.
That's all I'm saying. Don't sue me.
Submitted by domenad (user info) at 2007-04-15 01:28:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Rammer (user info) at 2007-04-14 00:46:00 EDT (#)
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I'm not sure if this was a joke but there is no constitutional freedom to keep your job if you screw it up. It was a business decision to fire him, so what. For example I can't expect to call my boss a "Nancy" (great word, by the way, thanks for introducing me to it) and expect to keep my job on the grounds of free expression. I'm sure with all this publicity he will find a job elsewhere anyway. This has nothing to do with the first amendment.
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Rammer, if you could elaborate on your argument for a moment: Are you saying that the loss of your current and future job prospects, defamation of your character, and the harassment of your family and loved ones is outside the bounds of the first amendment?
Submitted by Rammer (user info) at 2007-04-14 22:04:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by maiorano84 (user info) at 2007-04-14 20:33:05 EDT (#)
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It's about fucking time a black guy came out and said it so a white guy didn't have to.
And it IS a matter of free speech when your livelihood is at stake for saying the things you want to say.
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no, it is not about free speech. your livelihood is always at stake when you say the things you want to say, like it or not (except maybe on uber). free speech just means that the government cannot pass/enforce any law against saying what you want to say (with some exceptions like the well-known fire-in-theater example). this seems like an incredibly obvious point to me, but it apparently is getting missed by 99% of the people here.
Submitted by maiorano84 (user info) at 2007-04-14 20:33:05 EDT (#)
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It's about fucking time a black guy came out and said it so a white guy didn't have to.
And it IS a matter of free speech when your livelihood is at stake for saying the things you want to say.
Submitted by manic_impressive (user info) at 2007-04-14 19:03:43 EDT (#)
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Jesus Christ Method just come out with it and lynch some niggers.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-14 14:06:40 EDT (#)
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Sharpton and Jackson are worse racists than the people they attack. they honestly don't understand the defintion of racism at all. they are not fighting racism, they are fighting for black supremacy.
it's people like Sharpton and Jackson and Kambon that are the reason blacks are so confused and backwards about racism these days. they instill into the minds of blacks that their black culture is infallible and that whites are trying to take it away. when whites criticise black culture, like in the case of rappers influencing young blacks with their deplorable lyrics, they are racist. that's just one example out of the many i could give.
people like the good revered don't care how much black culture regresses. they need to stay in power, in the spotlight. everything they do is for themselves. instead, they should be influecing their race to empower themselves as individuals holding themselve accountable as individuals instead of as just "a black person". but they will continue to teach other blacks that their inexcusable behavior is excusable under the guise of race. just like muslims teach their people that treating women poorly or killing other people is ok under the guise of religion.
blacks have been conditioned to use race as a crutch and an excuse with Sharpton and Jackson leading the charge.
Dr Martin Luther King Jr would shit a brick if he were alive to see this.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-04-14 13:18:10 EDT (#)
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oh
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-14 13:03:22 EDT (#)
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I didn't write that = (
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-14 13:03:11 EDT (#)
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Jesse Jackson says it's a question of morality, and what's right and what's wrong.
Just so we're clear:
Imus Calling Black Women "nappy headed hos": Wrong.
Jesse Jackson calling Jews "Hymies" and referring to New York as "Hymietown" : Right. (Washington Post, 1984)
Imus Calling Black Women "nappy headed hos": Wrong.
Jesse Jackson having an affair and Impregnating Karin Stanford, then using rainbow coalition funds to pay her $40,000 and purchasing a $365,000 house to keep her quiet: Right
Jesse Jackson not paying child support for this child, and not visiting her: Right
Jesse Jackson Saying Duke La Crosse Rape Suspects who have been aquitted "deserved the negative attention" because they weren't acting morally by hiring a stripper: Right
I'm glad we have someone with strong moral values like Jesse Jackson to make sure nobody makes racist jokes on radio stations!
Thanks for showing us what's right and what's wrong Jesse.
And who can forget Al Sharpton, another strong moral figure who knows the power of words:
After District Attorney Steven Pagones failed to prosecute white suspects for raping a black girl (because evidence showed the story was fabricated) Al Sharpton accused Pagones Himself of raping the girl. Pagones successfully sued him for Defamation. Right
But it gets better:
Imus Calling Black Women "nappy headed hos": Wrong.
In 1995, Sharpton led a protest in Harlem against the plans of Freddy's Fashion Mart, a Jewish-owned clothing store, to expand into a black neighborhood. Sharpton told the protesters, "We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business." Three months later, an armed protester forcibly entered the store and burned it down, killing himself and seven others. Right
Thanks Jesse and Al for showing us what's right and wrong. I'm glad we can finally see the light now. I'm glad you guys stopped this guy, and all his charities for sick and homeless children, that will now dry up. Thanks guys!
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2007-04-14 11:02:43 EDT (#)
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Great article. Imus is an annoying dickhead and, in a way, I'm glad to have him leave. But it shouldn't have been like this. It should have been just because he isn't very funny.
Submitted by Flack (user info) at 2007-04-14 01:51:09 EDT (#)
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I gained alot of respect for Imus when he said what he said.
I lost all respect for Imus when he apologized for it.
Submitted by Rammer (user info) at 2007-04-14 01:13:16 EDT (#)
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I just looked him up on wikipedia and found he is a comedian (I had assumed he was a newscaster) but my points still apply. Sure our society has a double standard but it always bothers me to see such gross misinterpretations of 'freedom of speech'. OKAY enough ubering on a friday night for me. I'll be checking back to see if there is an answer to my ramblings. I'm open to the possibility that I'm missing something.
Submitted by Rammer (user info) at 2007-04-14 01:06:53 EDT (#)
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A better example: what if he had been fired because he kept getting facts wrong, or if he made up his own stories as he went along? That would be perfectly reasonable, right? And it would be ridiculous to turn it into a first amendment issue. Well then what's wrong with firing him for offending a large portion of the network's target audience. It's all part of the more general principle of messing up on the job.
Everyone else seems to agree with you, but then again this place is one big circle-jerk popularity contest anyway. Enlighten me if I'm wrong about any of this.
Submitted by Rammer (user info) at 2007-04-14 00:46:00 EDT (#)
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No longer will you have the constitutional freedom to say what you want without fear of losing your job.
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I'm not sure if this was a joke but there is no constitutional freedom to keep your job if you screw it up. It was a business decision to fire him, so what. For example I can't expect to call my boss a "Nancy" (great word, by the way, thanks for introducing me to it) and expect to keep my job on the grounds of free expression. I'm sure with all this publicity he will find a job elsewhere anyway. This has nothing to do with the first amendment.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2007-04-13 20:29:17 EDT (#)
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fucking awesome.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-04-13 16:31:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2007-04-13 04:37:13 PDT (#)
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stop listening to hot 97.
whitlock had a 2nd article yesterday, that was along the same lines, but harder hitting. let me find it.
http://sports.aol.com/whitlock/_a/time-for-jackson-sharpton-to-step-down/20070411111509990001
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that guy's pretty smart
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2007-04-13 14:38:07 EDT (#)
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[thinks] Shit, what's she talking about? Nod. Look serious. I'm Di, she's Bashir.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-13 14:31:41 EDT (#)
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It IS an issue of free speech though, I'm now too lazy to go into it, but we no longer control what we hear - corporate sponsors do. Perhaps we never DID control what we hear on the airwaves. It's just a catch 22, can't have free market without corporate sponsorship, and can't have free speech without free market......so basically, freedom of speech, when it comes to the airwaves, doesn't exist. It's just an illusion.
The big three - corporations, government, and the media. They are all in bed together. I could spend several hours on that topic alone, but this is ubersite, and I hate you all.
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2007-04-13 14:16:47 EDT (#)
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I think what my man Galt is trying to say is that no one here has been legally and/or forcefully stopped from saying anything, so free speech isn't an issue. And, if this has hasn't happened (I haven't really read into the issue,) then he's right.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-04-13 14:10:04 EDT (#)
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Submitted by JohnGalt (user info) at 2007-04-13 13:50:24 EDT (#)
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Anyway, I got off track from where I wanted to go with this. Basically, quit bitching about free speech. That isn't the issue. Everything going on right now is social and you have no right to free speech socially. Oh, you can say whatever the fuck you won't for sure. But people will react to it however the fuck they want as well. The real issues here are racism and sexism, which are pretty much never going to go away if every time shit like this happens every social group jumps into it's own separate corner and starts yelling at everyone else. And the easiest way I see for that to happen, and the only just way as far as I'm concerned is if white males are the ones to throw in the towel. We, maybe not you specifically, but still WE have been the ones doing the oppressing. WE are the ones that still benefit from all the inequalities. WE are the ones that can drive after 10pm without getting pulled over for no reason. WE are the ones that can walk down an alley at night without fear of being raped. WE are the ones that can get a decent education. WE are the ones that get paid more for the same jobs. And, WE are the reason that other sexes and races of people can't do those things. Whether you are racist or sexist or not is irrelevant to this whole thing. White men caused this problem and we're going to have to fix it. And what we have to do is fairly simple. When any minority gets pissed off over something racist or sexist, listen instead of yelling back.
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I don't think he is bitching about *legal* free speech, just abotu what speech society will accept. There is a double standard, and that is BS.
As far as "white men" causing the problems, by that logic I can blame Jews for killing Jesus, Germans for killing Jews, and blacks for murdering white people (black males are far more likely to kill white men than vice versa, so by your logic it is all of them are at fault).
How will listening to a complain over someone saying "nappy headed hoes" fix or help anything? Do you think that will make black people less likely to commit crime? Do you think it will make them be more responsible parents? Do you think it will make them respect education more?
How about instead of treating them like fucking children everytime they cry over an imagined slight we treat them like the equals that they are.
Submitted by JohnGalt (user info) at 2007-04-13 13:57:21 EDT (#)
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+2 for the Whitlock article from Tim.
Submitted by JohnGalt (user info) at 2007-04-13 13:50:24 EDT (#)
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I got tired of reading comments, so I'm just going to post this whether it's already been discussed or not.
I have an experiment for you. Go into work on Monday and call the first black woman you see a "nappy headed ho", preferably in front of a customer. Go on, I dare you. Let me know if the ACLU takes up your unlawful firing suit. The reason they won't is simple. This isn't about the government monitoring free speech and neither your Constitutional rights nor anyone else's are in danger. He isn't going to jail. He isn't even getting fined by the FCC. He got fired by an employer that lost sponsors and got bad press because of his comments. The reason this doesn't happen with rappers, comedians, etc is that people like it when they make racist comments. Advertisers are OK with them being racist because people don't get mad about it, they watch and/or listen to the show and, presumably, buy the products that are being advertised. So, his firing is wholly justifiable from a completely financial perspective. Personally I'd have fired him in the 70's when he told a 60 Minutes reporter that he had an employee that was hired for the sole purpose of "writing nigger jokes".
As for the uproar, how can you claim to be FOR free speech and then get upset when a bunch of people talk about something that pissed them off. Last time I checked Don Imus is completely uninjured, unmurdered and unoppressed by the government. He's just having to listen to people say mean things about him and lost his job because he cost his company a fortune in both public/media/advertiser/investor relations.
Anyway, I got off track from where I wanted to go with this. Basically, quit bitching about free speech. That isn't the issue. Everything going on right now is social and you have no right to free speech socially. Oh, you can say whatever the fuck you won't for sure. But people will react to it however the fuck they want as well. The real issues here are racism and sexism, which are pretty much never going to go away if every time shit like this happens every social group jumps into it's own separate corner and starts yelling at everyone else. And the easiest way I see for that to happen, and the only just way as far as I'm concerned is if white males are the ones to throw in the towel. We, maybe not you specifically, but still WE have been the ones doing the oppressing. WE are the ones that still benefit from all the inequalities. WE are the ones that can drive after 10pm without getting pulled over for no reason. WE are the ones that can walk down an alley at night without fear of being raped. WE are the ones that can get a decent education. WE are the ones that get paid more for the same jobs. And, WE are the reason that other sexes and races of people can't do those things. Whether you are racist or sexist or not is irrelevant to this whole thing. White men caused this problem and we're going to have to fix it. And what we have to do is fairly simple. When any minority gets pissed off over something racist or sexist, listen instead of yelling back.
/man, someone get me out of this apartment with Durae, ASAP!
Submitted by awesome_face (user info) at 2007-04-13 13:48:20 EDT (#)
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Jesse Jackson is the emperor of black people
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2007-04-13 13:40:54 EDT (#)
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beaner
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Submitted by Shaydlip (user info) at 2007-04-12 14:11:16 EDT (#)
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This argument has been made time and time again. I urge you to check out what has been written by this guy: www.paullevinson.net
The difference between Don Imus and rappers and comedians is that Imus made a remark against specific individuals who are not already in the public spotlight. Rappers and comedians make generalizations about the world through their experiences, but it is not targeted specifically at individuals unless they themselves are already in the spotlight (such as other rappers). Also, when references are made to individuals, it's often kept anonymous so that no attention is brought to those people referenced.
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This is a well enough argument, except in this case the basketball broads, were indeed, in the public spotlight. Maybe not to the magnitude as other "celebs" but it was bound to happen somewhere. Method is right about the opportunists looking to strike their next book deal, or NCAAP offering, or NatTV 30 seconds to say something. No one wants the "black man" to remain the underdog more than the "black man."
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That is an excellent point, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. My line was drawn when Imus stopped commenting on anything relating to their ability to play basketball, as that is the reason behind their "celebrity."
But honestly, can you compare these women trying to earn an education to people who make their career being in the public spotlight, like rappers and comedians do? Some of them, surely, will go onto the WNBA or something, but some are doing it to earn an excellent education and go onto other careers.
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with all the trouble schools go to to draw top atheletes and keep them there regardless of academic performance i wonder if their educations should really come into this since they're being used as a comparison of character. lots of schools are ok with passing athletes as long as they have a certain point average or yards per game or whatever. i'm not saying they're stupid jocks or whatever, but with all the emphasis on how these are fine upstanding women going to school to better themselves i'd kind of like to see their gpas. curiosity's sake i guess.
i dunno, i just always wonder what top athletes at colleges really do. i knew a kid who graduated highschool and couldn't read but was still accepted into college on a football scholarship. we have no idea how great or how crappy these women actually are in life. some of them might very well be hos and that part's just kept out of the spotlight. anyway. should be allowed to say whatever the hell you want. sticks and stones shit.
we should introduce those girls to uber.
Submitted by rorrim (user info) at 2007-04-13 08:02:11 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2007-04-13 07:51:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2007-04-12 10:27:25 EDT (#)
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http://gyral.blackshell.com/names.html
That's all, I could continue, but use the link above and make up your own.
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Slave ---Blacks ------Self-explanatory.
ha
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-13 07:46:20 EDT (#)
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Thanks Tim, that was an amazing article.
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2007-04-13 07:37:13 EDT (#)
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stop listening to hot 97.
whitlock had a 2nd article yesterday, that was along the same lines, but harder hitting. let me find it.
http://sports.aol.com/whitlock/_a/time-for-jackson-sharpton-to-step-down/20070411111509990001
I'm calling for Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, the president and vice president of Black America, to step down.
Their leadership is stale. Their ideas are outdated. And they don't give a damn about us.
We need to take a cue from White America and re-elect our leadership every four years. White folks realize that power corrupts. That's why they placed term limits on the presidency. They know if you leave a man in power too long he quits looking out for the interest of his constituency and starts looking out for his own best interest.
We've turned Jesse and Al into Supreme Court justices. They get to speak for us for a lifetime.
Why?
If judged by the results they've produced the last 20 years, you'd have to regard their administration as a total failure. Seriously, compared to Martin and Malcolm and the freedoms and progress their leadership produced, Jesse and Al are an embarrassment.
Their job the last two decades was to show black people how to take advantage of the opportunities Martin and Malcolm won.
Have we at the level we should have? No.
Rather than inspire us to seize hard-earned opportunities, Jesse and Al have specialized in blackmailing white folks for profit and attention. They were at it again last week, helping to turn radio shock jock Don Imus' stupidity into a world-wide crisis that reached its crescendo Tuesday afternoon when Rutgers women's basketball coach C. Vivian Stringer led a massive pity party/recruiting rally.
Hey, what Imus said, calling the Rutgers players "nappy-headed hos," was ignorant, insensitive and offensive. But so are many of the words that come out of the mouths of radio shock jocks/comedians.
Imus' words did no real damage. Let me tell you what damaged us this week: the sports cover of Tuesday's USA Today. This country's newspaper of record published a story about the NFL and crime and ran a picture of 41 NFL players who were arrested in 2006. By my count, 39 of those players were black.
You want to talk about a damaging, powerful image, an image that went out across the globe?
We're holding news conferences about Imus when the behavior of NFL players is painting us as lawless and immoral. Come on. We can do better than that. Jesse and Al are smarter than that.
Had Imus' predictably poor attempt at humor not been turned into an international incident by the deluge of media coverage, 97 percent of America would've never known what Imus said. His platform isn't that large and it has zero penetration into the sports world.
Imus certainly doesn't resonate in the world frequented by college women. The insistence by these young women that they have been emotionally scarred by an old white man with no currency in their world is laughably dishonest.
The Rutgers players are nothing more than pawns in a game being played by Jackson, Sharpton and Stringer.
Jesse and Al are flexing their muscle and setting up their next sting. Bringing down Imus, despite his sincere attempts at apologizing, would serve notice to their next potential victim that it is far better to pay up than stand up to Jesse and Al James.
Stringer just wanted her 15 minutes to make the case that she's every bit as important as Pat Summitt and Geno Auriemma. By the time Stringer's rambling, rapping and rhyming 30-minute speech was over, you'd forgotten that Tennessee won the national championship and just assumed a racist plot had been hatched to deny the Scarlet Knights credit for winning it all.
Maybe that's the real crime. Imus' ignorance has taken attention away from Candace Parker's and Summitt's incredible accomplishment. Or maybe it was Sharpton's, Stringer's and Jackson's grandstanding that moved the spotlight from Tennessee to New Jersey?
None of this over-the-top grandstanding does Black America any good.
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We can't win the war over verbal disrespect and racism when we have so obviously and blatantly surrendered the moral high ground on the issue. Jesse and Al might win the battle with Imus and get him fired or severely neutered. But the war? We don't stand a chance in the war. Not when everybody knows "nappy-headed ho's" is a compliment compared to what we allow black rap artists to say about black women on a daily basis.
We look foolish and cruel for kicking a man who went on Sharpton's radio show and apologized. Imus didn't pull a Michael Richards and schedule an interview on Letterman. Imus went to the Black vice president's house, acknowledged his mistake and asked for forgiveness.
Let it go and let God.
We have more important issues to deal with than Imus. If we are unwilling to clean up the filth and disrespect we heap on each other, nothing will change with our condition. You can fire every Don Imus in the country, and our incarceration rate, fatherless-child rate, illiteracy rate and murder rate will still continue to skyrocket.
A man who doesn't respect himself wastes his breath demanding that others respect him.
We don't respect ourselves right now. If we did, we wouldn't call each other the N-word. If we did, we wouldn't let people with prison values define who we are in music and videos. If we did, we wouldn't call black women bitches and hos and abandon them when they have our babies.
If we had the proper level of self-respect, we wouldn't act like it's only a crime when a white man disrespects us. We hold Imus to a higher standard than we hold ourselves. That's a (freaking) shame.
We need leadership that is interested in fixing the culture we've adopted. We need leadership that makes all of us take tremendous pride in educating ourselves. We need leadership that can reach professional athletes and entertainers and get them to understand that they're ambassadors and play an important role in defining who we are and what values our culture will embrace.
It's time for Jesse and Al to step down. They've had 25 years to lead us. Other than their accountants, I'd be hard pressed to find someone who has benefited from their administration.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-04-13 07:27:30 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Shaydlip (user info) at 2007-04-12 17:12:35 EDT (#)
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You know, I'm not sure he would have been crucified. After all, this guy has had a radio show for 30 or so years, and has been making racist remarks in this vein for that long. Why all of a sudden is he crucified for it? I think my point still stands.
But to the people who say that if it was a black person saying things of that nature he wouldn't be crucified, well I don't think it's acceptable in that context rither. But does someone else doing a wrong make it right for someone else to do a wrong action?
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I think he more known for offensive things than racist.
I don't think it is a "wrong" to use an off color remark in a joke. Bad judgment, maybe offensive, and I could see demanding an apology, but it surely isn't worth this uproar.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2007-04-13 06:37:18 EDT (#)
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Gangster rap is an artistic medium (so I'm told) and as such is regulated by different laws to those commentating in the public forum. The idea of censorship of the arts leaves a bad taste in my mouth and any form of attack on the right of said artists merely strengthens their position.
I like to think that the concern over things like the spread of gang culture and the glamourisation of crime culture is more a problem of combating the growing influence of the underclass. Comedians are often at the forefront of these efforts. Satiracal parodies and socially relevant hilarity can be surprisingly effective torpedos against the juggernaught of cheap, tacky, behaviour.
Don Imus breached company regulations. Nothing more. The media circus however does provide an oppurtunity for the real issue to be tackled, and that issue is poverty. Gangsta rap is a fad, it'll only be a matter of time before it's gone the way of teddy boys and communes.
Still I wonder what the fallout of such a relevant change would be? In England we see the underclass, not neccesarily the poor but certainly those that live in down trodden areas, as being vile, degenerates. We hold them in contempt for being poorly educated and we ridicule them in our media for not bettering themselves. It's enormous fun but is that elitism? Is, therefore, elitism a bad thing? Should we encourage our youth to look down upon the poor?
Perhaps I'm just being melodramatic.
Submitted by c1ndy (user info) at 2007-04-13 05:45:41 EDT (#)
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Super formatting, Method!
Submitted by Merlina (user info) at 2007-04-13 03:50:20 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by d_prime (user info) at 2007-04-13 03:22:19 EDT (#)
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There are so many cliches and witty inserts in this that I can tell what you're talking about, but barely clarify what your stand is, other than you apparently "like free speech." Although you seem to need to be told that firing someone for what they've said on a radio station you own doesn't violate their rights, as you're not physically disallowing someone from expressing themselves, but merely refraining from supporting them with your own resources.
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2007-04-13 02:11:00 EDT (#)
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This idiot got fired because he used first person.
He should have learned from, what some racist people refer to as; The-King-Of-All-Joos, the proper way to do it.
See what I did there?
Submitted by Zoidberg (user info) at 2007-04-13 00:54:15 EDT (#)
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I almost missed finding out the father of Anna Nicole's baby because of this Imus nonsense.
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2007-04-12 23:34:52 EDT (#)
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"they"...just wanna get paid .
Submitted by r0fl (user info) at 2007-04-12 23:31:31 EDT (#)
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Let it be known, that's the first Whitlock article I've read and probably the first Method post I've +2'd.
I read this morning and thought all day on whether or not to reward you.
Well, I still take pride in ratings.
And Jason Whitlock weighs 6,000 lbs.
Submitted by BobLobla (user info) at 2007-04-12 23:17:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Axolotl (user info) at 2007-04-12 21:52:12 EDT (#)
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ahhh...I listened to him every morning for the last five years, me and my dad together. If he was black, there wouldn't even be an issue, get a job Sharpton.
Hackensack Hospital was supposed to have a telethon with Don Imus that was supposed to raise 100$milllion for sick children. No money now, Sharpton needs his blood! All the work that Imus has done for autistic children, all the money he's given to the pediatrics at Hackensack U, and all the children with cancer he's taken care of, all disregarded because of a poor joke and Sharpton's opportunism. Truly disgusting.
Submitted by Bohme (user info) at 2007-04-12 21:40:47 EDT (#)
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Race is just another way to get the one-up on your fellow man, if I am deemed better because of the colour of my skin, so be it.
Submitted by jojojojoan (user info) at 2007-04-12 21:02:52 EDT (#)
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i completely agree
Submitted by BranDo (user info) at 2007-04-12 21:00:11 EDT (#)
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I'm not familiar with that radio guy or the racial issues as you have 'em over there. I just know that I agree with you on being able to say what you want. Living in Germany I hear a lot of Hitler remarks weekly and it almost ends up with people showing their honest stupidity, hey that's a right too.
Imagine yourself living in Germany as a foreigner named Adolf. All the world experienced what it effect his views had on the world and still there are people dreaming of those good old days........
Next week will I meet a couple of GE exec's and ask them about this.
Peace.
-Adolf
Submitted by Snark (user info) at 2007-04-12 19:20:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Shaydlip (user info) at 2007-04-12 17:39:53 EDT (#)
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http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN1236979320070412
His show just got permanently cancelled. Thought everyone might like to know.
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Jesus fucking christ, you're right.
I'ma hang me a nig-nog tonight
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*Sigh*
Same ole Uber.
Submitted by UTOCKIN2ME (user info) at 2007-04-12 19:16:38 EDT (#)
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It's all about where you are,and what you are saying at that time.
"They" have to label everything-segregeting different factions of race or creed
in turn making it racist.
For example: Black Entertainers Awards (strictly for Afro-Americans, but they also qualify for
all other entertainment awards.
Have a White Entertainment Awards- and the next thing you know-whitey's being accused of racism.
I try not to analyze things too much.
So instead of being a racist- I hate everybody equally.
I don't give a fuck if you are a cracker,paki,sand nigger,kyke,spic,chink,wagon burner,seal clubber,
kraut,gaza strip baby killer,nipper,dyke,fag,two headed,no legged, puppy fuckin',douche for brains!
An asshole is an asshole!
Now stating this on Ubersite is OK,but i don't think I will be saying this on the bus to work without some cracker,paki,sand nigger,kyke,spic,chink,wagon burner,seal clubber,
kraut,gaza strip baby killer,nipper,dyke,fag,two headed,no legged, puppy fuckin',douche for brains!
having something to say about it.
Peace,fuck off and die!
Submitted by LittleMonster (user info) at 2007-04-12 19:08:59 EDT (#)
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should have been 2+ sorry
Submitted by LittleMonster (user info) at 2007-04-12 19:08:31 EDT (#)
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Thank you.
Submitted by Dance.With.The.Devil. (user info) at 2007-04-12 17:52:23 EDT (#)
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on a side note, which shithead put this up for you? > www.nymethod.com <
Submitted by Dance.With.The.Devil. (user info) at 2007-04-12 17:49:24 EDT (#)
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excellent, it was only a matter of time.
Submitted by The_Drake (user info) at 2007-04-12 17:47:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Shaydlip (user info) at 2007-04-12 17:39:53 EDT (#)
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http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN1236979320070412
His show just got permanently cancelled. Thought everyone might like to know.
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Jesus fucking christ, you're right.
I'ma hang me a nig-nog tonight
Submitted by Shaydlip (user info) at 2007-04-12 17:39:53 EDT (#)
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http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN1236979320070412
His show just got permanently cancelled. Thought everyone might like to know.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2007-04-12 17:20:58 EDT (#)
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nigger below
Submitted by Dance.With.The.Devil. (user info) at 2007-04-12 12:12:03 PDT (#)
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maybe you don't realize that blacks have been subjected to centuries of injustices. What is 40+ years of name calling worth vs 350+ years of complete and utter humiliation and degradation of their forefathers. Even today I can see that racism against black is very much alive. You should be glad that they don't go around killing crackers for sport. They would certainly be justified in my eyes. If you have to ignore them and let there be a double standard, why not? Isn't that the least you can do to compensate them for all that has been done to them? NO, white people want to act like they can say "sorry" and pretend like it never happened. They don't want to move even an inch towards the middle. Just shut the fuck up until you even know what you're talking about, cretinshit.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-12 17:18:54 EDT (#)
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so who's don imus anyway?
Submitted by Sack_of_Antlers (user info) at 2007-04-12 17:18:48 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Shaydlip (user info) at 2007-04-12 17:12:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-04-12 16:12:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Shaydlip (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:47:54 EDT (#)
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Actually, yes, considering this guy did it for 30 years without punishment/attention/anything.
If he complained about some nappy headed hoes running around his neighborhood, would you be able to trace who he is discussing back to the individual? No, because no one knows where he lives, and even if he named people by their first name, can that realistically be traced back? Not really.
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I get your point about it being more serious because he singled out a specific group that aren't real "celebrities" (they kind of are, but I get your point).
What I am saying is that if he had dropped "nappy headed hoes" in any context I think he would have been crucified.
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You know, I'm not sure he would have been crucified. After all, this guy has had a radio show for 30 or so years, and has been making racist remarks in this vein for that long. Why all of a sudden is he crucified for it? I think my point still stands.
But to the people who say that if it was a black person saying things of that nature he wouldn't be crucified, well I don't think it's acceptable in that context rither. But does someone else doing a wrong make it right for someone else to do a wrong action?
Submitted by The_Drake (user info) at 2007-04-12 17:01:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dance.With.The.Devil. (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:43:50 EDT (#)
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didn't I tell you to shut the fuck up? I don't say that without reason. You brush it off like you've
heard it before. If someone KILLS your father, you are not justified in calling him a "devil", calling
for his death? If someone killed MY father I swear to god I would kill him. HAHAHAHAH and now you try
to make this about "free speech"? I suppose blacks weren't given their "free speech rights" in fact
I'm pretty sure if they spoke out of line some fifty years back they could qualify for a brisk
lynching. Shut the fuck up until you denounce your hypocrisy and your lies and your deep seeded
stupidity. You are wrong on ALL counts. The blacks ONLY call for his job over that comment. They don't
say "let's hang that fucker on a tree". They don't call for his miserable life. YOU can't concede shit
because you are a fucking slore. You want to think you are right. YOU are wrong and whites in general
are WRONG. Let me say one more time (with your short attention span and all). THIS is not about "free
speech" because you have no claim to that right. You stripped blacks of THEIR free speech right for
hundreds of years so WHY DO YOU DESERVE YOURS? All that said, this idiot still has his right to
"free speech because NO ONE is calling for his LIFE.
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shut the fuck up
or I'll have my white friends hang you.
nigger.
Submitted by experima (user info) at 2007-04-12 16:31:42 EDT (#)
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+2 for this post.
+2 for sicosemen being so fucking funny.
Submitted by FlakMonkey (user info) at 2007-04-12 16:22:15 EDT (#)
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Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-04-12 16:13:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-12 16:08:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:26:55 EDT (#)
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i don't stir shit.
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right... and priests don't prey.
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highly amusing typo/pun
Submitted by TheSpook (user info) at 2007-04-12 16:19:56 EDT (#)
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I think we're getting way off subject.
The fact of the matter is, if the hideous women in this slow-mo ficticious competitive sport weren't broadcast down our throats and into our homes, this whole issue would be irrelevant.
The bottom line is, no one wants to see, or hear from, ugly ghetto thug broads.
Submitted by redskieslookfake (user info) at 2007-04-12 16:13:20 EDT (#)
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Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-12 16:08:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:26:55 EDT (#)
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i don't stir shit.
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right... and priests don't prey.
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highly amusing typo/pun
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-04-12 16:12:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Shaydlip (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:47:54 EDT (#)
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Actually, yes, considering this guy did it for 30 years without punishment/attention/anything.
If he complained about some nappy headed hoes running around his neighborhood, would you be able to trace who he is discussing back to the individual? No, because no one knows where he lives, and even if he named people by their first name, can that realistically be traced back? Not really.
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I get your point about it being more serious because he singled out a specific group that aren't real "celebrities" (they kind of are, but I get your point).
What I am saying is that if he had dropped "nappy headed hoes" in any context I think he would have been crucified.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-12 16:09:54 EDT (#)
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YOU are wrong and whites in general
are WRONG."""
^reverse racism
Submitted by Snark (user info) at 2007-04-12 16:09:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Dance.With.The.Devil. (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:43:50 EDT (#)
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didn't I tell you to shut the fuck up? I don't say that without reason. You brush it off like you've
heard it before. If someone KILLS your father, you are not justified in calling him a "devil", calling
for his death? If someone killed MY father I swear to god I would kill him. HAHAHAHAH and now you try
to make this about "free speech"? I suppose blacks weren't given their "free speech rights" in fact
I'm pretty sure if they spoke out of line some fifty years back they could qualify for a brisk
lynching. Shut the fuck up until you denounce your hypocrisy and your lies and your deep seeded
stupidity. You are wrong on ALL counts. The blacks ONLY call for his job over that comment. They don't
say "let's hang that fucker on a tree". They don't call for his miserable life. YOU can't concede shit
because you are a fucking slore. You want to think you are right. YOU are wrong and whites in general
are WRONG. Let me say one more time (with your short attention span and all). THIS is not about "free
speech" because you have no claim to that right. You stripped blacks of THEIR free speech right for
hundreds of years so WHY DO YOU DESERVE YOURS? All that said, this idiot still has his right to
"free speech because NO ONE is calling for his LIFE.
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I can almost see you vibrating in your chair, mountain dew sloshing over your hand, spittle glinting off your chin.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-12 16:08:41 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:26:55 EDT (#)
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i don't stir shit.
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right... and priests don't prey.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:57:55 EDT (#)
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It's really a shame, too, you seem like a very intelligent person, but your words are clouded by the vitriolic bullshit you spew.
Why are double standards ok?
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:51:53 EDT (#)
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You know, looking at it from your point of view, Dance.with.the.devil, it seems that you make some valid points. Why must you ruin it by acting like a total immature little shitheel? You're just like ETS, no one listens to him because he acts like a belligerent asshole, something it seems he might have learned from you. You might have swayed my opinion, and made me realize how wrong I really am, but instead you make me laugh at you because you're obviously traumatized by some sort of childhood rape or other experience in your life.
Submitted by Dance.With.The.Devil. (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:51:47 EDT (#)
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when all else fails change the subject.. Give ME a break, stupid motherfucker
Submitted by Shaydlip (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:51:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2007-04-12 14:28:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Shaydlip (user info) at 2007-04-12 14:11:16 EDT (#)
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This argument has been made time and time again. I urge you to check out what has been written by this guy: www.paullevinson.net
The difference between Don Imus and rappers and comedians is that Imus made a remark against specific individuals who are not already in the public spotlight. Rappers and comedians make generalizations about the world through their experiences, but it is not targeted specifically at individuals unless they themselves are already in the spotlight (such as other rappers). Also, when references are made to individuals, it's often kept anonymous so that no attention is brought to those people referenced.
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This is a well enough argument, except in this case the basketball broads, were indeed, in the public spotlight. Maybe not to the magnitude as other "celebs" but it was bound to happen somewhere. Method is right about the opportunists looking to strike their next book deal, or NCAAP offering, or NatTV 30 seconds to say something. No one wants the "black man" to remain the underdog more than the "black man."
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That is an excellent point, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. My line was drawn when Imus stopped commenting on anything relating to their ability to play basketball, as that is the reason behind their "celebrity."
But honestly, can you compare these women trying to earn an education to people who make their career being in the public spotlight, like rappers and comedians do? Some of them, surely, will go onto the WNBA or something, but some are doing it to earn an excellent education and go onto other careers.
Submitted by professorfuckface (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:49:09 EDT (#)
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we need to ban all niggers from ubersite
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:48:53 EDT (#)
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Ahaha, you're so predictable. How DO you find the time to pound away at and drool all over your keyboard, and still maintain your respectable fluffer day job at the local gang bang? You've earned my respect, really.
I'm pretty sure you've got your hands full as you've threatened to fight/beat up/mutilate 90% of the people on this site already. I'll be glad to join that list; just let me know when it's my turn.
You're the cutest alter yet, I wish I had thought of you.
Submitted by Shaydlip (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:47:54 EDT (#)
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Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2007-04-12 14:39:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Shaydlip (user info) at 2007-04-12 14:11:16 EDT (#)
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This argument has been made time and time again. I urge you to check out what has been written by this guy: www.paullevinson.net
The difference between Don Imus and rappers and comedians is that Imus made a remark against specific individuals who are not already in the public spotlight. Rappers and comedians make generalizations about the world through their experiences, but it is not targeted specifically at individuals unless they themselves are already in the spotlight (such as other rappers). Also, when references are made to individuals, it's often kept anonymous so that no attention is brought to those people referenced.
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so you are telling me nobody would have raised a peep if Imus had complained about Nappy headed hoes running around his neighborhood? Or about some nappy headed ho he saw with a bunch of un-ruly kids?
I find that hard to believe.
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Actually, yes, considering this guy did it for 30 years without punishment/attention/anything.
If he complained about some nappy headed hoes running around his neighborhood, would you be able to trace who he is discussing back to the individual? No, because no one knows where he lives, and even if he named people by their first name, can that realistically be traced back? Not really.
Submitted by Dance.With.The.Devil. (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:43:50 EDT (#)
Ranking: -2
didn't I tell you to shut the fuck up? I don't say that without reason. You brush it off like you've
heard it before. If someone KILLS your father, you are not justified in calling him a "devil", calling
for his death? If someone killed MY father I swear to god I would kill him. HAHAHAHAH and now you try
to make this about "free speech"? I suppose blacks weren't given their "free speech rights" in fact
I'm pretty sure if they spoke out of line some fifty years back they could qualify for a brisk
lynching. Shut the fuck up until you denounce your hypocrisy and your lies and your deep seeded
stupidity. You are wrong on ALL counts. The blacks ONLY call for his job over that comment. They don't
say "let's hang that fucker on a tree". They don't call for his miserable life. YOU can't concede shit
because you are a fucking slore. You want to think you are right. YOU are wrong and whites in general
are WRONG. Let me say one more time (with your short attention span and all). THIS is not about "free
speech" because you have no claim to that right. You stripped blacks of THEIR free speech right for
hundreds of years so WHY DO YOU DESERVE YOURS? All that said, this idiot still has his right to
"free speech because NO ONE is calling for his LIFE.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:26:55 EDT (#)
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i don't stir shit.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:25:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:20:20 EDT (#)
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no problem with civilized discourse here.
i have a problem with flattery.
it creates cliques and it skews the debate because people feel compelled to be nice which in many case, means not offending with opposing views. you can leave your ego and emotions at the door if you wanna talk about serious things...unless you're a woman.
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I disagree with the approach, but I applaud the sentiment.
I like being civil. I can be a giant fucking asshole if I felt the urge - I don't.
I enjoy your little 'Caul' moniker BECAUSE of the insensitivity. However, the whole 'shit-stirring' you have perfected is frustrating - but even that has its relative enjoyment.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:23:42 EDT (#)
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Could someone please tell dance.with.the.devil aka desolate.misanthrope aka the dirty faggot with the sloped forehead down there, that this isn't a racial issue? To clarify, MY gripe is not a racial one, it is a matter of defending the First Amendment and free speech in general, and the chilling effect this incident will have.
In my opinion, the shit that Michael Richards did was a lot worse. Why isn't there a continuing media frenzy about that? Why was his apology enough? Because he doesn't work for a giant media conglomerate like MSNBC / CBS? Because this is bigger bait?
It's because there are alterior motives at play here. If this were about race, this would have happened a long time ago.
This is about free speech, you blubbering, regurgitating neanderthal, not about the injustices perpetrated on black people. You didn't read this, and you didn't read the accompanying material.
I'm sure you'll spend the next five minutes thinking of a witty retort involving numerous penises in my mouth, all the while tabbing back and forth between your response and http://www.thesaurus.com
Give it a rest. No one is afraid of you or your pathetic attempts at sounding intelligent, alter or not.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:20:43 EDT (#)
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... and thanks. :)
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:20:20 EDT (#)
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no problem with civilized discourse here.
i have a problem with flattery.
it creates cliques and it skews the debate because people feel compelled to be nice which in many case, means not offending with opposing views. you can leave your ego and emotions at the door if you wanna talk about serious things...unless you're a woman.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:19:49 EDT (#)
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(I totally knew that, and with being a giant narcissist: having people discuss me - especially in a manner to which I am rather proud of being thought of - brings me all kinds of joy. You make me very happy - so does Caul in his argumentative, bitchy little way.)
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:16:21 EDT (#)
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Thanks, I didn't realize that. This is the first I'm hearing of the injustices perpetrated against the African-Americans. I don't know what I would have done without you.
Could you please tell me more? I live in a vacuum.
Submitted by Dance.With.The.Devil. (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:12:03 EDT (#)
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maybe you don't realize that blacks have been subjected to centuries of injustices. What is 40+ years of name calling worth vs 350+ years of complete and utter humiliation and degradation of their forefathers. Even today I can see that racism against black is very much alive. You should be glad that they don't go around killing crackers for sport. They would certainly be justified in my eyes. If you have to ignore them and let there be a double standard, why not? Isn't that the least you can do to compensate them for all that has been done to them? NO, white people want to act like they can say "sorry" and pretend like it never happened. They don't want to move even an inch towards the middle. Just shut the fuck up until you even know what you're talking about, cretinshit.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:11:56 EDT (#)
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Rob, nothing wrong with it at all, I just knew that for once on ubersite I spoke intelligently and tried to have a serious discussion without acting immaturely, and that I would be compared to you - you should be flattered.
Oh boy, I can't wait until Caul catches a whiff of THAT comment.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:05:48 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-12 14:41:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2007-04-12 14:38:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2007-04-12 14:18:00 EDT (#)
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Thanks for that, shaydlip, I appreciate an alternative viewpoint such as that on this subject, especially one as intelligent and much more eloquent than mine. I'll be sure to read up on the link you sent me.
It just goes to prove that I am hardly qualified to make a fair assessment in a situation such as this, but godammit, I'm going to do it anyway because I can.
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HAHA, YOU SOUND LIKE ROB.
"thank you, i respect your intellect. i appreciate your input. i will check your information. give me a medal"
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lol i know - I realized it as soon as I wrote it, I was in a hurry - I also said to myself "fuck, I hope Caul doesn't read that, he's going to say I sound like Rob."
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...although really, what is so bad about cilivlized discourse? If you make a good point AND you are smart enough to truly communicate what you are trying to say to the person you are talking with - what's wrong with a little e-suckysucky? People should know when they are being appreciated.
Is that so WRONG?
huh?
God Damn assholes. The bunch of you.
>sniff<
fockers.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2007-04-12 15:02:08 EDT (#)
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Oh, for the record, Method is MY alter.
bitches.
Which also means I get some sweet bum sex from Caul.
WOOOO!
Submitted by Dance.With.The.Devil. (user info) at 2007-04-12 14:58:55 EDT (#)
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incredibly stupid
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