Obama & OIl (1049 hits)
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Submitted by Jack McCallum (View user info) at 2008-07-04 14:32:07 EDT
It appears that there was a very good chance Barack Obama could become the next President of the United States, but his stance on drilling for oil may cost him this election. This is not an endorsement or a condemnation of Obama, I'm just pointing out how history can turn on a dime. A few months ago it looked like Obama could reach the White House, running a solid campaign that appealed to anyone who wasn't old, white, or rich (in other words, most of America), and even gathering some of THEM as well, but Obama has made a spectacular fumble when it comes to the exploitation of America's natural oil resources.
As times get tougher and the rising price of oil impacts almost every aspect of our lives, politicians are finally seeing the light and admitting that we SHOULD start drilling in the US and off our shores. Yes, we should make every effort to keep the environment green and make a transition to a lifestyle and economy that is less dependent on oil, but that transition will not happen overnight. In the meantime, a lot of people are feeling the crunch.
Obama can talk about change all he wants, but when people are having a hard time affording gas to get to work or seeing food prices escalate or getting laid off (62,000 American jobs were lost last month) they want the people in charge to take charge and turn things around... and let's not forget winter is coming and a lot of people will see huge bills for heating their homes. When times are hard, humanitarian change can wait. It's human nature. Food, shelter, and sex are imperatives (not necessarily ranked in that order for everyone), and change for the betterment of society can sit on the back burner until things get better.
Obama is flat out opposed to drilling anywhere in America or offshore. John McCain has recently stated is should be decided on a state-by-state basis.
We may have as many as two trillion barrels of shale oil. There was a time when collecting that oil was not economically viable, but Canada has been exploiting the Tar Sands for decades. There may be as many as 90 billion barrels of oil of American shores. In the ANWAR (in Alaska and off Alaskan shores) there may be ten billion barrels. This oil will not last forever and it is not intended to, but it could see us through to a transition to something else. Perhaps until the majority of the population with a bug up their collective ass about nuclear power will finally realize it is safe and efficient and manageable, the French have been using nuclear reactors safely for many years, and we should be doing the same, but we need to take care of the here and now, and until Obama changes his stance on drilling, he will never become President.
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Submitted by UCSBguy (user info) at 2008-07-07 23:44:08 EDT (#)
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Here is another -2 and for not posting your address. Try attending a university that wasn't online phag.
Submitted by haikumikoo (user info) at 2008-07-07 21:32:46 EDT (#)
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Words seem pointless.
Submitted by Harmon (user info) at 2008-07-07 13:36:23 EDT (#)
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you come off as incredibly ignorant
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-07-07 13:30:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-07-07 11:58:51 EDT (#)
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STFU and go get an education Jack.
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Submitted by codeMunkee (user info) at 2008-07-07 12:43:12 EDT (#)
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I hope the oil runs out next week and jumps to $100 a gallon in the mean time.
America's too fucked up to survive much longer anyway, I'd rather go out in an apocalyptic fuckfest that teaches the rest of the world the importance of alternative energy. Maybe the species will make it to 3008 that way.
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2008-07-07 11:58:51 EDT (#)
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STFU and go get an education Jack.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-07-06 15:04:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-07-05 19:25:50 EDT (#)
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I realize it would take a while for any drilling begun now to have an impact, but I notice you suggested no energy alternatives, because there are none. 2030 is only two decades away. Do you think we could substitute our oil reliance with another energy source in two decades? Solar, hydro, wind or wave power? Nuclear? Not likely, and like it or not we are stuck with oil for decades to come"""
i guess you didn't read the part where i said that even if you drilled everywhere in the US, the price today would change only a little. now imagine that with demands in 2030. it won't change anything. but people are dumb fucks and assume that since it's US oil it goes directly it will go directly into their fuel tank.
People don't get the fact that you could have a shit ton of electric cars on the roads in a few years but we will still be charging those cars primarily from sources that pollute."""
I didn't know we were talking about pollution now. We're talking about gas price and last i checked fossil fuel powerplants run for the majority on coal, not oil.
And if you don't think this will be a factor in the election you haven't been watching the news closely. """
It's a factor because dumb fucks spin it like drilling offshore and in ANWAR matters. obviously, it works because gullible idiots like yourself believe it and make posts about how we must drill our way out of this, even though your own departement of energy says it's irrelevant.
Submitted by morello (user info) at 2008-07-06 12:40:16 EDT (#)
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I don't understand how people are mean to you.
You are published and they aren't!
I'd never be mean to you.
Submitted by MyNameIsTim (user info) at 2008-07-06 10:15:57 EDT (#)
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i'd be OK with a nuke plant in my backyard if i and 1000 of my friends got free electricity.
Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2008-07-06 01:06:28 EDT (#)
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Okay "Fight Club" reference, gotta give a point back.
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Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-07-05 22:29:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by UCSBguy (user info) at 2008-07-05 21:50:08 EDT (#)
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I live in sf too jack.
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Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2008-07-05 22:57:17 EDT (#)
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proximity doesn't always insure access
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-07-05 22:33:36 EDT (#)
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Submitted by UCSBguy (user info) at 2008-07-05 21:50:08 EDT (#)
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Post your address. I want to discuss this issue further dumb fuck.
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You do not want to take me on in this heat, man. The gel in your hair will melt and run into your eyes, and while you flail at me blindly I will proceed to feed you our own nuts.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-07-05 22:29:14 EDT (#)
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Submitted by UCSBguy (user info) at 2008-07-05 21:50:08 EDT (#)
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I live in sf too jack.
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Submitted by UCSBguy (user info) at 2008-07-05 21:50:08 EDT (#)
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I live in sf too jack. Post your address. I want to discuss this issue further dumb fuck.
Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2008-07-05 20:00:55 EDT (#)
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Most of the strongest points have already been made below, but I want to point out you misstated Obama's position. He is opposed to drilling in ANWAR (same as McCain, who still opposes this), and to ending the ban on offshore drilling that has been in place since the 70's. However, in Obama's America, you could do other land-based drilling, get tar sands and shale oil until the cows come home. Also, you graphic suggests he is opposed to nuclear power, whereas he in fact describes himself as "agnostic" on the topic. However, he is opposed to the Yucca Mountain waste storage facility.
I like your fiction, but you can't get your facts straight on the political stuff.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-07-05 19:30:58 EDT (#)
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Submitted by UCSBguy (user info) at 2008-07-05 16:01:52 EDT (#)
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You fucking retard jack. Only person to get it right was caul. I'm so sick of hearing your racist and fucking stupid shenanigans. To say that the only people that obama appeals to is minorities is fucking offensive. I'm not a huge fan but he is intelligent and appeals to intelligent people.
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What he fuck are you talking about? Racist? I pointed out that the MINORITY of his supporters are older, rich white people who traditionally vote GOP to see their assets protected. How the fuck is that racist? Did I use any pejoratives?
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-07-05 19:25:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-07-04 19:21:54 EDT (#)
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had you made the point that people are in denial and ready to vote for anything that they HOPE will lower energy costs, even if it was legislation to implore unicorns to fill up their tanks for free, your shitty post would've sense.
but the U.S. department of energy already said that drilling wouldn't have any impact until like 2030 so whether you drill or not is not pertinent in this election. even moreso that assuming americans drilled offshore and in ANWAR, the price of oil is still fluctuating on international markets. the fact that it's 'american oil' doesn't make any difference, unless you nationalized the whole thing, Hugo. so that means that with projected world wide demands, or even with today's numbers, opening up those sites would be an insignificant drop in a barrel.
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This was not a thesis, so I didn't cover everything. Your point about "HOPE" is absolutely correct. This is just a starting point for discussion.
I realize it would take a while for any drilling begun now to have an impact, but I notice you suggested no energy alternatives, because there are none. 2030 is only two decades away. Do you think we could substitute our oil reliance with another energy source in two decades? Solar, hydro, wind or wave power? Nuclear? Not likely, and like it or not we are stuck with oil for decades to come. People don't get the fact that you could have a shit ton of electric cars on the roads in a few years but we will still be charging those cars primarily from sources that pollute.
And if you don't think this will be a factor in the election you haven't been watching the news closely.
Submitted by UCSBguy (user info) at 2008-07-05 16:01:52 EDT (#)
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You fucking retard jack. Only person to get it right was caul. I'm so sick of hearing your racist and fucking stupid shenanigans. To say that the only people that obama appeals to is minorities is fucking offensive. I'm not a huge fan but he is intelligent and appeals to intelligent people.
Submitted by myshit (user info) at 2008-07-05 15:15:03 EDT (#)
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Jack, I'm not sure what your forte is. You're shit at writing stories and shit at everything else.
How about trying for the world 'holding your breath' record?
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2008-07-05 14:41:24 EDT (#)
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When I was in the Navy I once had a conversation with a local girl in Alameda (across the bay from San Francisco) who said she was glad there were no nuclear power plants in the area because they were so dangerous. At the time, the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise with it's eight nuclear reactors was tied up on one side of a pier at the Naval Base in Alameda, and the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson was on the other side of the same pier with it's two bigass reactors, less than two miles from and in sight of the park in which the conversation was held. I smiled. If she only knew.
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2008-07-05 14:19:33 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by Maddog (user info) at 2008-07-05 09:12:34 EDT (#)
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Drilling for oil in ANWAR or offshore is merely rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. It is short-sighted and does nothing to address that we need to wean ourselves from oil. Period.
Submitted by beer-turtle (user info) at 2008-07-05 08:19:17 EDT (#)
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jack ...
this was the most useless tirade yet. Normally I will read what you have to say all the way through but this... this was shit dude.
the fact of the matter is Oil prices are being kept artificially high, thanks to the GOP.
Drilling isn't going to be a quick fix to our energy needs. We wouldn't feel relief at the pump for over a decade.
10+ years. nice hot button issue you have there.
Try looking at pebble bed reactors before you make you assumption the nuclear power is oh so bad.
I could go off on my conspiracy theories, but I really don't have the energy at the moment.
Submitted by KirillovianShitStain (user info) at 2008-07-05 02:51:53 EDT (#)
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Oil is getting expensive. If you have a car, just fucking deal with it. Ride a bike, for Christ's sake. You want to vote for the person who will make alternative fuel a reality. Fuck oil.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2008-07-05 00:38:40 EDT (#)
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Hauling all the oil in America up out of the ground won't drop the price of gasoline one bit. None. Ever notice that the rumor of a hurricane in the Gulf sends gas prices through the roof? Our refineries are so jammed together in an area that is almost guaranteed to bring damage from weather that we couldn't do anything WITH the oil.
Except sell it to China. Which wouldn't help the price of gas here.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-07-04 22:04:18 EDT (#)
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Submitted by snagglepuss (user info) at 2008-07-04 20:23:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 20:14:11 EDT (#)
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Gigologist below, trying to impress us.
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...If you interpret people giving you an informed and educated opinion "trying to impress" you, then you truly are a hopeless, ignorant piece-o-shit, forever doomed to be stunted by your meager intellect and narrow-mindedness....
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it's the jack mccallum theory of life.
"All I have and need is a high school diploma"
and he's proud of it.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-07-04 22:02:38 EDT (#)
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i even heard about those conclusions from the us department of energy on fucking fox news hannity & colmes while i was flipping channels on sirius, driving in the middle of nowhere in canada, hangovered.
you have to wonder how people like jack can't pick up information like that and be so disconnected with reality when nowadays, you can't even spend ten seconds in a remote area without hearing headlines and breaking news and whatnot.
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2008-07-04 21:00:16 EDT (#)
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Oh mah gawd the average working family is scraping to get by. RISING GAS PRICES ARGH!
Lol.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 20:25:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by snagglepuss (user info) at 2008-07-04 20:23:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 20:14:11 EDT (#)
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Gigologist below, trying to impress us.
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...If you interpret people giving you an informed and educated opinion "trying to impress" you, then you truly are a hopeless, ignorant piece-o-shit, forever doomed to be stunted by your meager intellect and narrow-mindedness....
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If this is how an educated scientist responds, his superiors will understand that he is a fool.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 20:24:14 EDT (#)
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Then go vote for Osama.
Submitted by snagglepuss (user info) at 2008-07-04 20:23:08 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 20:14:11 EDT (#)
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Gigologist below, trying to impress us.
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...If you interpret people giving you an informed and educated opinion "trying to impress" you, then you truly are a hopeless, ignorant piece-o-shit, forever doomed to be stunted by your meager intellect and narrow-mindedness....
Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2008-07-04 20:21:21 EDT (#)
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Yeah, Caul kinda calls it there. I don't really give a shit about drilling here or there or everywhere to be honest. To drill or not to drill? Whatever. Obama still gets my vote.
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-07-04 20:20:55 EDT (#)
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lol @ bubba
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 20:14:11 EDT (#)
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Gigologist below, trying to impress us.
Submitted by snagglepuss (user info) at 2008-07-04 20:05:38 EDT (#)
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Sorry, but Caulaincourt is correct. To explore with 3D seismic, drill exploratory wells, then drill developement wells around any proven (not tangible reserves), would take at least 10-15 years down the road.
Even today we are presently drilling in the immense Bakken formation of N Dakota, Montana, and Saskatchewan (estimated @ minimally 4 billion barrels...that's fucking huge), those deposits will not provide fruition for years down the road.
.....I am a petroleum geologist, by the way, and am not talking out of my ass.........
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-07-04 19:35:04 EDT (#)
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see below
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2008-07-04 19:21:54 EDT (#)
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had you made the point that people are in denial and ready to vote for anything that they HOPE will lower energy costs, even if it was legislation to implore unicorns to fill up their tanks for free, your shitty post would've sense.
but the U.S. department of energy already said that drilling wouldn't have any impact until like 2030 so whether you drill or not is not pertinent in this election. even moreso that assuming americans drilled offshore and in ANWAR, the price of oil is still fluctuating on international markets. the fact that it's 'american oil' doesn't make any difference, unless you nationalized the whole thing, Hugo. so that means that with projected world wide demands, or even with today's numbers, opening up those sites would be an insignificant drop in a barrel.
i guess you're too much of an outsider to take into account widely available informations.
instead of filming yourself into the sunset, you should try to get an education.
or better yet, stop assuming you're american and mind your own business you stupid canuck.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 19:11:15 EDT (#)
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Wildman lives in Alabama. Call the Bambulance.
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2008-07-04 18:34:42 EDT (#)
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Wuh
Wuh
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
below
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 18:23:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2008-07-04 18:16:18 EDT (#)
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I hate the smell of old people in the morning.
Well well, it looks like Bubba's got his crowbar out again trying to pry his fucking way into every goddamn post on Uber.
Very needy person below.
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You are allowed to rate anything you wish, as am I. Fuck off, little boy. I'm really sick of your big mouth.
Submitted by Wildman (user info) at 2008-07-04 18:16:18 EDT (#)
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I hate the smell of old people in the morning.
Well well, it looks like Bubba's got his crowbar out again trying to pry his fucking way into every goddamn post on Uber.
Very needy person below.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 16:57:12 EDT (#)
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Brainless dipshit, below.
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-07-04 16:48:13 EDT (#)
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idiot
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 16:14:23 EDT (#)
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Beer for my horses, whiskey for my men.
Submitted by The-Armed-Samurai (user info) at 2008-07-04 16:12:51 EDT (#)
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Just had to water the hosses.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 16:06:27 EDT (#)
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What happened to you, Appo... er..... Armed Samurai?
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 16:00:04 EDT (#)
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Damn, kid, you are dumber than your daddy.
Submitted by The-Armed-Samurai (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:59:00 EDT (#)
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Pa you are making no sense again.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:56:51 EDT (#)
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The mirror will set for naught the 2000.
Submitted by The-Armed-Samurai (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:53:53 EDT (#)
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It's nice that your still continue to insult me.
I know I'm a failure... but as we discussed earlier on this post, and as we discuss everytime we hit the whore house... I mirror you in every way.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:52:14 EDT (#)
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And you smell just the same.
Submitted by The-Armed-Samurai (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:49:31 EDT (#)
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I'm afraid not.. another trait I get from you.
I'm as thick as horse shit.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:46:29 EDT (#)
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Samurai, you haven't caught on yet, huh?
Submitted by The-Armed-Samurai (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:44:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:43:07 EDT (#)
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No, armed-so-am-I, you don't know shit. Well, maybe if you look in a mirror. . .
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Yeah, I know.
When I look in the mirror I see you. So my legacy is to resemble my father. You think I don't wish it wasn't so everyday of my miserable life?
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:43:07 EDT (#)
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No, armed-so-am-I, you don't know shit. Well, maybe if you look in a mirror. . .
Submitted by The-Armed-Samurai (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:41:58 EDT (#)
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I think you should stop pretending that she is 'auntie' Katie.
We all know.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:39:10 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The-Armed-Samurai (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:34:25 EDT (#)
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Hey Pa!
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You have a sister? Why wasn't I informed?
Submitted by The-Armed-Samurai (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:37:23 EDT (#)
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And does sister Katie have to call you 'big daddy' still?
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:36:34 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The-Armed-Samurai (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:34:25 EDT (#)
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Hey Pa!
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You shall refer to me as "My Beloved Master," as always.
Submitted by The-Armed-Samurai (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:34:25 EDT (#)
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Hey Pa!
Submitted by Fey (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:13:44 EDT (#)
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Good on him.
Submitted by Bubba2341 (user info) at 2008-07-04 15:12:47 EDT (#)
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Open Alaska for drilling.
Submitted by Linus (user info) at 2008-07-04 14:41:06 EDT (#)
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This is the most boring thing I've read all day.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-07-04 14:33:28 EDT (#)
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Time to get drunk and eat charred animal flesh and set off explosives!