Et Tu, Barack Obama? (4016 hits)
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Submitted by Bart Cilfone <uberuser.at.cilfone.com> (View user info) at 2008-07-11 04:04:25 EDT
When the President does it, that means that it is not illegal.
-- Richard Nixon
I suppose a change we can believe in means one that relieves the federal government of its responsibility to follow the basic rule of law.
Here's how it works:
1. We vote and elect representatives and senators to the legislative branch
2. The legislative branch enacts laws to help our democratic republic function
3. The executive branch breaks the laws established by Congress
4. The legislative branch promises not to hold the executive branch responsible for its crimes
5. The judicial branch finds that the executive branch did in fact break the law
6. The legislative branch changes the law retroactively so that the executive branch's actions are no longer considered illegal
In particular, the Congress declared this week that the telecom companies who knowingly went along with the president's illegal warrantless wiretapping program will not be held responsible for their crimes. It's not like there was a trial and they were found not guilty... Congress just decreed that there will be no trials, everything that happened was legal, and if it wasn't it is now.
This is the kind of bullshit we've come to expect from the "4 ounces of shampoo will blow up a plane" Bush administration and the Republican congress. The new twist here is that the House of Representatives with a Democratic majority led by Nancy Pelosi was responsible for this. The Senate, also with a Democratic majority, passed the same law with the support of Barack Obama.
Yes, Barack Obama voted to make it legal for the government to listen to your phone calls and read your emails without a warrant.
Surely there was something else in this bill that made it worth voting for - something like free puppies for orphans or a new pair of sunglasses for Stevie Wonder. This was just a small part of something much bigger that benefits each and every one of us, right?
Given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as president, I will carefully monitor the program.
-- Barack Obama
"I" will monitor the program. Me, Barack Obama, "I" will have the authority to decide when warrantless wiretapping is legal and when it is illegal. Congress? The Supreme Court? The People of the United States of America? No, just me.
The difference between what the United States is supposed to be and a fascist police state is that the President doesn't get to make these decisions. We have an established rule of law and everybody has to follow it, yes, including you Mr. Obama. You haven't even been elected President yet - haven't even officially been confirmed as the Democratic party's nominee - and you're already endorsing the illegal programs of the most corrupt administration in the country's history in hopes of continuing on with them once you're in charge.
To put it simply, what the hell is the matter with you? You can talk big and promise change during a competitive primary race, and then as soon as you get your next vote to actually make a change, you endorse the grossly corrupt status quo?
I voted for you for the Senate in 2004 after you sandbagged Jim Ryan with the leaks of those supposedly sealed divorce court documents. I would have voted for you anyway, but it was nice to see a young Democratic candidate who wasn't afraid to pull out the big guns on an established Republican. He dropped out and you won basically unopposed, technically beating Alan Keyes, although I wish Mike Ditka had taken the nomination.
I was excited that you won the Democratic nomination this year because of what I thought you represented. Had Clinton won, I probably would have voted for her since there's no way in hell I'd ever vote for the brain dead Republicans. I also bought into your line about wanting to restore the people's faith in the federal government, but I suppose that serves me right for getting my hopes up.
Fortunately for you, I now have no recourse. I'm certainly not going to give you any money and I'm no longer excited about you as a politician or as a person. You lied about your position and now you've betrayed the People of the United States at a time where our only other choice is "100 years in Iraq" McCain. Are you going to change your mind on Iraq too? What about on invading Iran?
A vote for change. The change is that the broad sweeping warrantless wiretapping program is now being run by Barack Obama instead of George W. Bush.
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Submitted by RoadSong (user info) at 2009-01-04 22:23:48 EST (#)
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"Yes, Barack Obama voted to make it legal for the government to listen to your phone calls and read your emails without a warrant."
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* SIGH *
Soon we will have no rights left.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-09-18 02:12:19 EDT (#)
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the girl peering over my shoulder wants to know if you are rich, BartBart. I told her probably not but she still wants to know.
Submitted by Stabkill (user info) at 2008-09-12 03:39:20 EDT (#)
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Bart is involved in clandestine actions against the government and his cell phone logs repeated phone calls to the Waziristan region of northwest Pakistan. So he does have something to worry about. The feds did visit his house once, you know.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2008-08-19 12:56:32 EDT (#)
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Obama re: FISA
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/08/15/intv.obama.harper.revealed.cnn
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-08-14 12:04:50 EDT (#)
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holy fuck, a Murphy sighting!
and he's right- you're a fuckin' retard. i don't think you have a firm grasp on the matter whatsoever but you sure do have a lot to say about it.
Submitted by hcp28 (user info) at 2008-08-14 11:12:15 EDT (#)
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So you would rather have John "I will run this country into the ground fighting 'terrorists'" McCain leading this country?
I'd rather vote for Barack than another Bush.
Submitted by Murphy1844 (user info) at 2008-08-07 04:29:29 EDT (#)
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Dude, you've lost it in this post.
If ratings are important still, I'll go ahead and give this a plus 2 so people read this over the other garbage, but to me it seems you've become the single thing I hate in stupid voting people: single-or-dual-issue voters (that's still one thing).
People who look at just one or two important things about a candidate and base their ENTIRE decision on those one or two things. Fucking ridiculous.
Fucking shameful.
The wire-tapping thing, in this case.
But what about EVERYTHING else. The economy, the energy crisis, health care, taxes (or lack of for th rich), Iraq/n. Come on man. Look at the big picture.
And fucking get out more. Lonely people seem to latch on to these single-issue thing...
...and eventually vote Republican.
Murphy
Submitted by sergeantslaughter (user info) at 2008-08-07 03:20:54 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by munkeypants (user info) at 2008-08-06 23:09:57 EDT (#)
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Razor said it best.
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2008-07-17 06:06:23 EDT (#)
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Our political system is failing. We are fully aware of this.
Our government is corrupt, and has been for years. Bart is incorrect when he claims the current administration as the "most corrupt" in American history, but he isn't too far.
We have lost our ideals. We have lost our purpose; two hundred and thirty-two years ago the founders of this nation staked their lives on one very important concept: that every man is due certain unalienable rights. As a nation, the US needs to get back to that.
That doesn't even make any sense. "As a nation we need to get back to that?" Back to what?
That every man is free. That regardless of your economic or ethnic background you will be given an even chance. We have become too self-absorbed and too imperial. The same thing happened to the Romans; all empires will fall. What is our version of the Colosseum? Reality TV? The Jerry Springer Show?
I think I'm going to become an expatriate.
Submitted by phauna (user info) at 2008-07-17 04:39:02 EDT (#)
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No one is asking this Aussie, but your electoral system sucks. If you didn't vote for a president then there would be no problem. You need to bring in party nomination of party leaders, then the leader is at the very least responsible to the party, the party as a group shares the power and not just one individual, and also it removes the awful popularity contest aspect of US politics. If you ever wondered, as an American, why other countries often have ugly, uncharismatic and less than smooth talking leaders, it is probably because that country has a system where the party is voted in by the people, and in turn the party votes in the party leader, who is invariably better qualified as the party actually personally knows them. The party usually is much better at choosing the best qualified member than the unknowing public.
Also you guys need compulsory voting i.e. and opt-out voting system and not an opt-in one, and also preferential voting wouldn't go astray, in fact it would fix your two party system. With preferential voting you would be able to give your first preference to some independent who stands one hundred percent for you ideals , and then you could give your secondary preference to the big party of your choice so your vote is not wasted.
One man, one vote sucks in so many different ways. It's not like America is a democracy anyway, live a little, whydoncha?
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2008-07-15 22:51:57 EDT (#)
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OMG RAZOR JUST PWNED BART
Submitted by Snark (user info) at 2008-07-15 14:16:49 EDT (#)
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There was a time, not so terribly long ago by historical standards when the USA, freedom, and democracy were pretty much considered one-and-the-same the world over. I'm not sure I agree with every detail of what this post and Manic Mother's astute reply say but I do know that I do agree with the basic gist.
People used to say that the USA was the greatest country on the planet. Now they just say that the USA is the most powerful. Then they turn on the news and shake their head as they watch the American Military Industrial Complex rake in money on the blood of people caught between bullshit and a bullet, and what used to be the greatest nation on the planet make all the same mistakes of others that came before and fell to ruin. Your Caesars are corrupt. The Barbarians are at the gates. You have the political equivalent of Caligula sitting on the throne.
I'm not sure where things turned south exactly but it seemed to become apparent when McCarthyism reared its ugly head. Your government is corrupt. Your political system is failing. It has become a whore to corporate lobbyists. Even the presidency can be stolen and then bought. Viet-Nam, Iran-Contra, Iraq and everything in between... and the hits just keep on coming. Congratulations. You
Growing up, I used to think the USA was great. Now I just think that American people are great... too bad about their government.
Anyway, I'm way off topic of this post.
Whatever... this guys said it much better than I can: http://www.ubersite.com/m/50518
Submitted by Razor (user info) at 2008-07-15 09:56:43 EDT (#)
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Pardon me, but I believe that you have what actually happened on this issue completely confused. I may be wrong here, but please explain it to me if I am:
The purpose of FISA was to establish a court system that exists to review and either approve or decline the requests for warrants for intelligence sensitive matters such as wiretapping.
The problem with what the Bush administration did was that they essentially bypassed FISA in gross defiance of the law.
The recent bill was designed to renew FISA's mandate and strengthen it. In order to get it passed and not have the warrant system completely disintegrate, the Democrats agreed to language that would make the telecom companies immune to civil (*NOT* criminal) lawsuits in the future for their past misdeeds.
Now, that may have been spineless of the democrats, but it certainly was not an endorsement of future desires to continue to flout the law like the (not immune to future prosecution) Bush administration did.
When I read Obama's quote about him monitoring the system, I took that to mean he would pay close attention to guarantee that the executive branch did not attempt to bypass and undermine the system as it did in the Bush administraion - in fact he was saying the * exact opposite * of what you think he said here, bart.
Judge Obama if you will for selling us short on telecom immunity - although he and Harry Reid led a largely symbolic effort to have the immunity portion struck from the bill - but Obama is certainly NOT laying the groundwork for continuing a warantless wiretapping situation in which he wields power from the shadows.
Submitted by gascs (user info) at 2008-07-14 23:29:07 EDT (#)
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WTF BIIIIIILLLL PAXTON
Submitted by myshit (user info) at 2008-07-14 17:06:44 EDT (#)
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Submitted by SilvrWolf (user info) at 2008-07-13 14:50:33 EDT (#)
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Damn.
I guess it's Nader '08 for me.
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JESUS! A Silvrwolf sighting!
Submitted by FALLEN (user info) at 2008-07-14 16:56:35 EDT (#)
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New Yorker mag
FTW
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/14/politics/politico/main4257077.shtml?source=mostpop_story
Submitted by BLITZKREIG_BOB (user info) at 2008-07-14 13:42:45 EDT (#)
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Vote Barr.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-07-14 11:57:57 EDT (#)
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anarchy ftw
Submitted by Siren (user info) at 2008-07-14 11:13:44 EDT (#)
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Howz 'bout we just get rid of the federal government altogether? We don't need it. It does more harm than good, and spends our money to do it.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2008-07-14 10:45:10 EDT (#)
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You know what rocked about the 1940's, Bartbart? Nazis. We could hate Nazis. We could unite against Nazis. Nazis were so clearly and definitively evil that they've been a staple of pop culture ever since. And you know the best part? They were "over there someplace." Now they're here sacrificing lives for war over just plain silly pretexts. Because instead of a nationalistic fascism, which at least gave a damn about its "people", we're going to have a corporate fascism in which human beings are a commodity; one that only cares about meeting its bottom line to please some nebulous board of directors.
Is representation going to save us? Do you honestly think it makes a difference whether you choose McCain or Obama? It's a rigged game, and the buggers were hand-picked by the corporate whores who run the shop.
I'm not sure what exactly can be done right now. Things are really in the toilet and only getting worse, but we're too distracted by our iPhones and flat screens to really give a crap. Once we can't afford those things, I assume we'll be moved out of apathy. As revolutionary France and Russia demonstrated, though, that's not always a good thing.
Submitted by 8track (user info) at 2008-07-14 06:42:15 EDT (#)
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Whatever, america will bring about the end of the world no matter who is at the top. Good job.
Submitted by Quint (user info) at 2008-07-14 01:58:06 EDT (#)
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Obama really just wants wiretapping so that he can listen in on phone conversations and find out where all the white women are at. Because then he can do a whole different kind of tapping.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-07-14 01:56:26 EDT (#)
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Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes crimes out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded. - Abraham Lincoln
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-07-14 01:08:56 EDT (#)
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There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2008-07-14 00:53:55 EDT (#)
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Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-07-13 13:15:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-07-11 09:51:13 EDT (#)
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I'll say what I've been saying about this wiretapping bullshit for the past few years:
If people aren't sending or receiving illegal transmissions, why are they so fucking concerned with being eavesdropped?
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the "if you aren't breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about" argument makes me want to rip someone's throat out with my bare hands. what if they make a law that states it's illegal to wear socks on fridays between the hours of 9am and 5pm? if you aren't breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about!
GOD I'M SO CLEVER
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For once, I agree with hidden. Of course, I've found that people who make an argument like Oathy's also get bent out of shape when I point out that, according to W's administration, George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson et al would be "unlawful combatants" or terrorists and not patriots.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2008-07-13 22:59:41 EDT (#)
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and it's a shame about Nader, really
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2008-07-13 22:59:00 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2008-07-11 06:25:33 EDT (#)
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I could really go on. So many administrations have abused power. We gave democrats the choice for decent leadership, they didn't take it. Now we're stuck with a freshman senator with no leadership experience. Nice."
if you had any respectable level of familiarity with the history of U.S. Presidencies you'd be aware that experience has absolutely no correlation to ability. Washington was among the least politically experienced choices for President at the time of his inception, but they chose him anyway, and he didn't do badly at all. and before you start responding with arguments that have no validation other than that of being typical snap-fire responses, he's not the only example.
Submitted by Istaros (user info) at 2008-07-13 22:44:38 EDT (#)
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"Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-07-11 09:51:13 EDT (#)
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I'll say what I've been saying about this wiretapping bullshit for the past few years:
If people aren't sending or receiving illegal transmissions, why are they so fucking concerned with being eavesdropped?"
this is what totalitarianism is birthed from
Submitted by xakarii (user info) at 2008-07-13 17:52:47 EDT (#)
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Made me smile for its cuteness.
Here's where I think you made a mistake in your reasoning -
"1. We vote and elect..."
I'm pretty sure at this point, with 30 of the 33 founding fathers being masons, most of the presidents having the same general intention (expansion of the executive powers), and most every election being stacked (the latest being an array of different shades/polarities of CFR-globalists) -- anyone who says "We" elect anything clearly has "we" confused with corporate powers that be.
Sorry for the cynical tirade, but... with people arguing over only the most superficial attributes of candidacies, can you really blame candidates for taking advantage of the almost criminal negligence of the American voter? I can't.
Submitted by SilvrWolf (user info) at 2008-07-13 14:50:33 EDT (#)
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Damn.
I guess it's Nader '08 for me.
Submitted by JohnGalt (user info) at 2008-07-13 13:34:02 EDT (#)
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I couldn't decide which idiot to argue with first, so I'll just skip it. Probably not worth the effort anyway.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-07-13 13:15:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-07-11 09:51:13 EDT (#)
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I'll say what I've been saying about this wiretapping bullshit for the past few years:
If people aren't sending or receiving illegal transmissions, why are they so fucking concerned with being eavesdropped?
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the "if you aren't breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about" argument makes me want to rip someone's throat out with my bare hands. what if they make a law that states it's illegal to wear socks on fridays between the hours of 9am and 5pm? if you aren't breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about!
GOD I'M SO CLEVER
Submitted by Donitsu2002 (user info) at 2008-07-13 13:11:42 EDT (#)
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Here's to war in iraq
Submitted by myshit (user info) at 2008-07-13 05:59:01 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-07-11 09:51:13 EDT (#)
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I'll say what I've been saying about this wiretapping bullshit for the past few years:
If people aren't sending or receiving illegal transmissions, why are they so fucking concerned with being eavesdropped?
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THE most retarded argument and I really pity people with this mindset.
Submitted by tloshjohnson (user info) at 2008-07-13 05:48:02 EDT (#)
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This is seriously 'eye opening' news to you guys?
It's been apparent to anybody prepared to, for just ONE MINUTE, take an objective view of American politics without getting all angsty and patriotic for years.
ETS did a bad job of pointing this shit out to you people, but the message was there is you listened.
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2008-07-13 04:05:06 EDT (#)
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quit sucking your alter's dick.
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2008-07-12 18:41:59 EDT (#)
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hahahahahahaha below
joedaddy is quite probably the most badass person around this whole dump. lungfish is up there somewhere too. oh, and me of course.
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2008-07-12 16:12:44 EDT (#)
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wow! i guess congratulations are in order...
one more person has discovered: everything's a lie
good for you
Submitted by Unabonger (user info) at 2008-07-12 14:06:47 EDT (#)
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just like every other election we have to choose the lesser of two evils. i sympathize but what can you expect out of our government today?
Submitted by Chroniclysm (user info) at 2008-07-12 13:26:46 EDT (#)
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It's pretty depressing that he isn't the person a lot of us thought he was a year ago, but the crazy old honky simply can't be president and that is gonna have to be that.
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2008-07-12 06:28:01 EDT (#)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h02jCrcPFJg
Hurty made it on to British TV!
Submitted by shandythedog (user info) at 2008-07-12 05:01:38 EDT (#)
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what are you worried about?
if the prez monitors the progrma PERSONALLY i'm sure no harm could come
Submitted by zoobie2000 (user info) at 2008-07-11 23:35:18 EDT (#)
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who cares about american politics?
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2008-07-11 22:14:35 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-07-11 10:42:20 EDT (#)
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Seacrest would never dream of reading people's emails or listening to their phone calls. He respects America's privacy.
He does read the dirty ones, though. Wouldn't you? I know I would. Hadley knows what I'm talking about.
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You stopped forwarding them. You know what I did.
Submitted by Amontillado (user info) at 2008-07-11 20:30:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Harmon (user info) at 2008-07-11 11:53:42 EDT (#)
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Someone sounds like an uneducated, middle aged housewife with nothing better to do because two of her kids are with their respective daddies, and the other one is drunk on nyquil because "mommy has a headache"
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Someone sounds like an uneducated loser who can't even come up with an argument or critique of Manic's comment, and has to go around making personal attacks instead.
Submitted by hidden101 (user info) at 2008-07-11 20:23:42 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Method (user info) at 2008-07-11 07:16:52 EDT (#)
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Something about this annoyed me greatly - if I was a little more intelligent than an eggplant, I might be able to figure out what that is, but for now you come off sounding like another pretentious asshole who is thoroughly convinced that he could do a much better job of running the country than anyone who actually ever DID run the country.
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and i'd like to add to that- YOU SUCK!
Submitted by MickGinny (user info) at 2008-07-11 19:45:33 EDT (#)
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Ditka
Submitted by PayMeLater (user info) at 2008-07-11 19:37:07 EDT (#)
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ALIEN SEX GODDESS MAKES OBAMA PRESIDENT!
That Ryan dude from Illinois was married to 7 of 9, shown here:
http://www.moveleft.com/moveleft/images/jeri_ryan_in_start_trek_voyager.jpg
She refused the anal probe, a common tool of her alien race and Republicans who frequent swingers clubs.
Any discussion of that senate race MUST include photos!
Here the white woman at:
http://n2.cdn.spikedhumor.com/1/320000/65716_jeri_ryan_fhm_4.jpg
Submitted by billrhine (user info) at 2008-07-11 17:41:17 EDT (#)
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all politicians are the same. liers.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2008-07-11 17:30:16 EDT (#)
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just because those cunts were pessimistic doesn't make them right
below
Submitted by earth_collapse (user info) at 2008-07-11 15:26:08 EDT (#)
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It's funny how often people confuse democracy with republic.
We are not a "democratic republic," that's double-speak. The words mean two completely different things and in no way should be used together. It's like saying, "democratic dictatorship."
In Democracy, the majority rules. In a Republic, the Law rules.
Our founding fathers created a "Republic," not a Democracy. There are too many failings with a democracy, for instance, the minority can be subject to the tyranny of the majority.
No where in the constitution is the word "democracy" used.
In contrast:
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
- Benjamin Franklin
"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself."
John Adams
Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2008-07-11 14:24:00 EDT (#)
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oops, you said "young"
Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2008-07-11 14:23:46 EDT (#)
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Madonna?
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-07-11 14:16:28 EDT (#)
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What I'm getting from the post and the comments is that America needs someone they can trust. Someone young and untainted by the filth of our 2 party system. Someone charismatic. Someone who knows how to charm foreign dignitaries with his seamless segues. I think y'all know what I'm getting at here.
Submitted by YELLOW-MAN (user info) at 2008-07-11 14:08:30 EDT (#)
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Well... it's probably not the most corrupt, but maybe more so of the last hundred years maybe, but that's neither here nor there. I have to say, i've been a bit uneasy about Obama just for the fact that people flock to him too easily. Though I can't say i'm crazy about McCain either...
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-07-11 13:47:51 EDT (#)
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Suit yourself. It's a free country.
Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2008-07-11 13:40:51 EDT (#)
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Damnit Jeannneeeee!
I'm not voting for Seacrest, and that's final!
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2008-07-11 13:33:16 EDT (#)
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i dig that, cuberat.
the hypocrisy is really great when you look at some of the known homosexual legislators on the repub side who consistently vote down the sexual orientation rights bills, but are trying to fuck young staff kids at the end of the day. you really hate what you are that much?
also, i know a lot more of the illinois repub legislators who are either banging their press secretaries or random lobbyists, or have already been divorced because of it, than i do democrats. not that the dems aren't shagging their fair share of side pieces...
Submitted by cuberat (user info) at 2008-07-11 13:23:53 EDT (#)
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I agree that the president shouldn't have that power. However, if I had to trust someone with that power other than myself, it would be Senator Obama.
On a separate note, the Jack Ryan thing is a scandal because, although legal, the republicans are all puritanical, anti-sex, supposedly moral, christian, and "stronger on family values". All of which that sort of behavior runs afoul of. Being a card carrying Chicago Democrat, I was glad to see that asshat held accountable for that hypocritical bullshit.
Submitted by scourge (user info) at 2008-07-11 13:15:52 EDT (#)
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<dorky Illinois political history lesson that nobody cares about offered only in the spirit of nit picking this post>
Obama didn't run against Jim Ryan for the Senate seat. He ran against Jack Ryan, who wasn't an established Republican politician like former AG Jim Ryan. He was just a damn good poster boy for the party.
Jack dropped out after a 'sex scandal' that was comprised of nothing more than a man asking the woman he was married to, to engage in a (legal) sexual act she wasn't comfortable engaging in. When she refused her husband, the matter was dropped until they were divorcing years later and she was milking the divorce courts for all she was worth.
They forced opening of the records on claims that there was information that would impact his integrity as a candidate. This was obviously false, they just wanted the oportunity to paint him as a sexual deviant. Once they were able to accomplish that, they spun the fuck out of this scandal that wasn't a scandal. Convinced the public that not only was he a liar -- because god forbid his dirty sexual laundry with his ex-wife not be available to every trailer dwelling one tooth Cletus in S. Illinois. personally i'm not sure how this makes him a liar, but...-- but also a sexual predator of the greatest degree. To help his party save face, he dropped out.
In stepped Keyes, a wildly more polarizing and far less centrist candidate than the incredibly well funded Ryan, and Obama and President Jones end goal in opening those divorce records succeeded.
Obama's 'astounding, 70%, landslide victory over the handpicked Republican candidate' was one of the factors that helped the National Party decide to let him go for the brass ring.
Opportunism and underhandedness FTW!, eh?
And so the glorious tradition of Illinois politics continued, and will do so for ever and ever AMEN until the end of time.
</dorky Illinois political history lesson that nobody cares about offered only in the spirit of nit picking this post>
All that said, I still voted for him in 2004. Again in February of this year(mainly because Edwards was already out) and will do so again in November. Because, look at the alternative...
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-07-11 13:00:19 EDT (#)
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Best suit is always Seacrest. ALWAYS.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-07-11 12:58:50 EDT (#)
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Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-07-11 12:34:45 EDT (#)
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Nader an egotist.
Nader has done more good for this country than any current sitting member of Congress and certainly more than any of the current presidential candidates. His track record is nearly flawless.
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but he's a throwaway vote since most people vote for the guy who has the best suit on.
Submitted by BobSandwich (user info) at 2008-07-11 12:36:15 EDT (#)
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Again, Fuck Politics.
Submitted by experima (user info) at 2008-07-11 12:35:53 EDT (#)
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No Comment
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-07-11 12:34:45 EDT (#)
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Nader an egotist.
Nader has done more good for this country than any current sitting member of Congress and certainly more than any of the current presidential candidates. His track record is nearly flawless.
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2008-07-11 12:27:52 EDT (#)
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Like I give a shit!
Submitted by pandora (user info) at 2008-07-11 11:59:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-07-11 09:51:13 EDT (#)
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I'll say what I've been saying about this wiretapping bullshit for the past few years:
If people aren't sending or receiving illegal transmissions, why are they so fucking concerned with being eavesdropped?
Think about it.
If you're doing the speed limit, why worry about a speeding ticket?
If this is a civil rights issue then why aren't people up in arms about the use of spy satellites to gather multi-spectral imagery of people's houses and private land?
This telecom shit is an indication of the severity of America's paranoia.
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Spoken like a true camwhore.
Submitted by FilledwithHate (user info) at 2008-07-11 11:58:28 EDT (#)
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I have been a supporter of Obama since he announced he was running for President, but this has been highly disappointing. It seems that he knows we have no options now and will vote for him anyway. I have sent, in small batches, ~$900 to his campaign thus far. I am reluctant to send much more now, and I wonder with him opting out of public financing, if this is not going to get him in the end. The "flip-flop" meme has been very overdone in the media for both candidates, but it really does apply with this issue as he was completely opposed to this kind of legislation during the primary.
Jack is right; at least with the Republicans, you know they are bastards and know what to expect.
Gleen Greenwald has some very good articles on this betrayal.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/07/09/fisa/index.html
Politics do suck ass.
But "Nader"? Give me a Fucking break: that egotist sucks even more ass.
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-07-11 11:54:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-07-11 11:11:23 EDT (#)
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Nader
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HAHAHAHAHA! WHAT A FUCKIN TOOL.
Submitted by Harmon (user info) at 2008-07-11 11:53:42 EDT (#)
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Someone sounds like an uneducated, middle aged housewife with nothing better to do because two of her kids are with their respective daddies, and the other one is drunk on nyquil because "mommy has a headache"
Submitted by MANICMOTHER (user info) at 2008-07-11 11:44:53 EDT (#)
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He's courting unhappy republicans and the ignorant and fearful with this move. If Obama stuck to challenging the freedoms we've lost in the last 8 years, he would lose due to the swirling fear that has permeated the populace since that day America had its "more powerful than Thou, the Oceans of Liberty will protect our soil" attitude punctured.
Pardon me for going all ETS for a moment but the terrorists have gotten exactly what they set out to do, create an air of confusion and a fear of shadows. They set off a chain of reaction that has caused the country to come off looking like the school yard bully to the rest of the world community. Bush in all his ignorant glory has embraced it with fervor not unlike that of the manifest destiny of the 1840's and 1890's. Then, it was "our god given right to push out across the territories, uprooting and subverting any and all native cultures in the process to create a nation that stretched from sea to sea." It was our right by god to destroy and rebuild in his name. Now it's, "We have a RIGHT to protect our lives and livelihood." We have a right to wander into other countries, fully armed, and bash around looking down hidey holes for the bad people who want to take our Starbuck's iced mocha chinos, mid-drift tube tops, and our right to watch free 3min porn snippets on the internet.
Now, I'm all for freeing the oppressed masses but what the hell are we giving them in the end? Cities devoid of public infrastructure (and before you guys go all Rambo on my ass remember we've blown up a helluva lot of shit in other countries in the last few years), governments filled with bickering factions that were just simmering before we let them loose, and lots and LOTS of moving targets (re: our soldiers) for the fanatics we're chasing to make abject lessons of the "truths" they are teaching. And that doesn't even include the soul suckers we've hired to rebuild the mess we've made.
What the people fail to realize is that what we've been conned into chasing all over the world are religious fanatics. Religious fanatics are notoriously hard to stamp out. Kill one and 15 more will pop up all ready to die in the name of their cause. Miss one and in 2 or 5 or 10 years later you have a problem again. What's more, we can't just march into their stronghold and wipe them all out at once like France crushing the Templars for their supposed heresy. This is more like chasing the Vietcong on a world wide scale and we all know where THAT got us.
This is the part where you say, "Fuck you manic, this isn't a reply, it's a post" or "You've sure bitched enough but how do you propose to deal with it?" or even "What the hell does this have to do with Bart's Obama Post?" And to you I say...
Obama may have gone into the race with the best intensions but unless he plays the hand given to him by his politicical predecessors he doesn't have a chance in hell of coming out on top and changing ANY of the wayward policies we've been stuck with. A person is smart. PEOPLE are a herd of paranoid, self- centrists that have deluded themselves by buying into "AMERICA IS THE GREATEST NATION OF ALL TIME" shtick.
We need to look internally to protect "what's ours" and start paying attention to the lax bullshit we have here at home that has been ignored over the better part of the last decade while we have been chasing shadows in the name of Democracy
RE:
-the crumbling of our OWN infrastructures (Hello Corp of Engineers, I'm talking to you)
-the lack of educational excellence which SHOULD be our country's hallmark to the rest of the world but is truly nothing more than a sad joke (25% graduation rate in Detroit, skyrocketing university tuitions, that moronic No Child Left Behind policy (I mean what FOOL decided that if the kids aren't doing well we'll just take federal funding away until they do better. Who the hell makes up this shit?))
-our insane ability to act like a heroin addict deprived of his fix when looking to our energy needs
-how about our very own, homegrown predators (big business, banks and loaning institutions, biased media groups, the health and insurance industries) Hell we don't NEED foreign creepies that blow up in the night, we dream up our own horror filled blood sucking demons just fine on our own.
Just a couple of points out of HUNDREDS that we are bumbling around with, debating over, crying about AND DOING NOTHING TO RECTIFY.
And to those who said Fuck You.... it's MY opinion on the state of our society. Like it, don't like it, it doesn't matter to me. It's one of the only freedoms I have left that is truly mine and no amount of pressure from the sea of humanity around me is going to change the fact that I'm going to mouth off and mouth off often about the stupidity I see driving our nation.
Have a pleasant day.
Submitted by DarthFaded (user info) at 2008-07-11 11:40:06 EDT (#)
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Bart,
I have to say that you are a very concise writer.
Our system is inundated with corruption. Democrat.... Republican... It really doesn't matter anymore. Our government dwells in the realm of great issues.
You can please all of the people, some of the time
and some of the people all of the time..
But since you can't please all of the people all of the time... then just force them to believe that what you are doing it right...
We don't live in a democracy.
http://www.ubersite.com/m/114399
it seems relevant.
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-07-11 11:28:54 EDT (#)
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http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/07/11/funny-pictures-et-tu-brute/
this is relevant.
Submitted by vexx (user info) at 2008-07-11 11:22:00 EDT (#)
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Don't bother.
Submitted by PepsiCoke (user info) at 2008-07-11 11:11:23 EDT (#)
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Nader
Submitted by Jack_McCallum (user info) at 2008-07-11 11:01:45 EDT (#)
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YOU ARE SHOCKED BY THIS?
AT LEAST REPUBLICANS ARE HONEST ABOUT THEIR DISHONEST BACKROOM BUTTFUCKERY! I HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED BY THE SFPD AND HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE. BRING IT ON!
The last GREAT President was JFK. No contest.
He got to bone Marilyn Monroe.
Totally worth a bullet to the head.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-07-11 10:42:20 EDT (#)
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Seacrest would never dream of reading people's emails or listening to their phone calls. He respects America's privacy.
He does read the dirty ones, though. Wouldn't you? I know I would. Hadley knows what I'm talking about.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2008-07-11 10:38:26 EDT (#)
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over reaction.
Submitted by Yozz (user info) at 2008-07-11 10:23:24 EDT (#)
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Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2008-07-11 10:08:35 EDT (#)
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Vote Cthulhu; Why choose the Lesser of two Evils?
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Shadow FTW
Submitted by The_Drake (user info) at 2008-07-11 10:10:57 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Littlebint (user info) at 2008-07-11 10:05:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_Drake (user info) at 2008-07-11 09:53:44 EDT (#)
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Nothing is going to change with either president. Anyone got room in their country for a disgruntled American ex-patriot? I'll pay half the rent! And cook you breakfast.
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But no funny business! I'm British afterall and only do that for Queen and Country in times of need
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I believe http://www.ubersite.com/m/116750 just fried any chances of you getting "funny business" from me, missy.
Then again, http://www.ubersite.com/m/117314 kind of balances the scales.
Okay, funny business is back on the table!
Submitted by inion_de_trua (user info) at 2008-07-11 10:10:52 EDT (#)
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last week, or when ever it was, when he said that government should support religious groups basically to extend community outreach that pretty much put the nail in the coffin for me on obama. this is the first shovel of dirt in my head. i understand the logic behind the support of religious institutions but it's flat out wrong to do, ever, in any country. and i'm so incredibly sure it'll be mostly christian places getting the cash.
i looked up my senators' votes on this one and dodd(d) - nay and lieberman(id) - yay. lieberman proving once again he really really didn't fit with connecticut's idea of the democratic party and that he's a dickhead. but no, whatever, sure, run independent after your own party says fuck off and then wreck the vote by doing so. cunt.
i knew from day one i didn't want obama or hillary and yay, look at my lovely choices: mccain, obama, throwaway indepdent vote or don't vote at all. lucky us. i wanted kucinich or edwards.
disband the parties, put stricter limitations on any new ones formed, disband them again in two terms. it's one giant circle jerk at this point that the actual american people are left out of. but hey, they keep us dumb and complacent so it's our fault anyway.
Submitted by shadow (user info) at 2008-07-11 10:08:35 EDT (#)
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Vote Cthulhu; Why choose the Lesser of two Evils?
Submitted by Littlebint (user info) at 2008-07-11 10:05:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by The_Drake (user info) at 2008-07-11 09:53:44 EDT (#)
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Nothing is going to change with either president. Anyone got room in their country for a disgruntled American ex-patriot? I'll pay half the rent! And cook you breakfast.
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But no funny business! I'm British afterall and only do that for Queen and Country in times of need
Submitted by BobSandwich (user info) at 2008-07-11 10:02:56 EDT (#)
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Fuck Politics.
Submitted by 8bithero (user info) at 2008-07-11 09:53:48 EDT (#)
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Your vote doesn't count anyway, so what does it matter?
Article II of the US Constitution:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.ar...
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.am...
"Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.
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The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States."
We currently have the Electoral College, described in detail in Article II, Section I, and further elaborated in Amendment XII. Each state gets to decide how to chose its electors. It just so happens that so far, every state has held a popular election to determine its electors. When you vote for president, you are not actually voting for that candidate, rather you are voting for your electors, who will then cast their votes on your behalf.
The XV, XIX, and XXVI amendments don't guarantee anyone the right to actually vote for president. They merely state that states cannot deny anyone over the age of 18 the right to vote based on race or gender.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.am...
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.am...
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.am...
Note also that the Poll Tax amendment (XXIV) states: The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax. Note that even here, it specifies voting for electors for President and VP, not actually direct votes.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.am...
I am not defending this practice, but I'm merely stating the facts. There is an incorrect assumption among many that there is a constitutional right to vote for President, when that just doesn't exist. In order to accomplish that, we would need to pass a new amendment abolishing the Electoral College, and institute a direct popular vote.
Submitted by The_Drake (user info) at 2008-07-11 09:53:44 EDT (#)
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Nothing is going to change with either president. Anyone got room in their country for a disgruntled American ex-patriot? I'll pay half the rent! And cook you breakfast.
Submitted by GangsterSquid (user info) at 2008-07-11 09:51:13 EDT (#)
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I'll say what I've been saying about this wiretapping bullshit for the past few years:
If people aren't sending or receiving illegal transmissions, why are they so fucking concerned with being eavesdropped?
Think about it.
If you're doing the speed limit, why worry about a speeding ticket?
If this is a civil rights issue then why aren't people up in arms about the use of spy satellites to gather multi-spectral imagery of people's houses and private land?
This telecom shit is an indication of the severity of America's paranoia.
Bart, smoke a joint and calm down already.
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2008-07-11 09:12:33 EDT (#)
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This is why I'm writing in Ryan Seacrest in '08.
Submitted by HadToBeDone (user info) at 2008-07-11 09:11:01 EDT (#)
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To put it simply, what the hell is the matter with you? You can talk big and promise change during a competitive primary race, and then as soon as you get your next vote to actually make a change, you endorse the grossly corrupt status quo?
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What part of "Barack Obama is a politician" makes this a surprise? A politician talks change to get elected then quickly realizes that all the ideals they spouted and may even have believed in mean fuck-all once they get into their spots and have more money flying around than anyone could ever imagine.
It's the same no matter who you are. Obama isn't going to live up to his pledges. Neither is McCain. Neither would Ron Paul, or Dennis Kucinich. Ralph Nader would quickly become just another 2-party political hack once he was forced to deal with what Washington is: organized, legal corruption.
If you ever actually believed that Obama was anything but more of the same, I genuinely pity you. You manage to come off as halfway intelligent, then fuck it up by thinking that anyone who gets to that level of politics is anything but the same.
Submitted by monkeyswithguns (user info) at 2008-07-11 09:00:54 EDT (#)
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You expected him to be a virtuous man? An honest man? He IS a politician, after all.
Submitted by Ltap (user info) at 2008-07-11 08:48:27 EDT (#)
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Bart Cilfone - saying things people have known for decades in a way that makes it sound new and interesting.
Submitted by woolfe (user info) at 2008-07-11 08:46:34 EDT (#)
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poots = barely literate love child of courageous berg
Submitted by Poots (user info) at 2008-07-11 08:45:17 EDT (#)
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Submitted by woolfe (user info) at 2008-07-11 08:31:29 EDT (#)
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poots = steaming pile of self-important twat = berg
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Not even close. Not that I think that is a bad association. Berg kicks ass and has the guts to post what he feels like posting unlike you woolfe aka i-can-get-you-a-toe.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2008-07-11 08:31:35 EDT (#)
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http://www.smokyhillsuds.com/David_Bowie_and_NIN_I'm_afraid_of_Americans.mp3
Submitted by woolfe (user info) at 2008-07-11 08:31:29 EDT (#)
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poots = steaming pile of self-important twat = berg
Submitted by Shlongy (user info) at 2008-07-11 08:31:10 EDT (#)
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What's this about?
I didn't see even ONE mention about Rich Harden.
Submitted by Poots (user info) at 2008-07-11 08:29:01 EDT (#)
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Were you trying to sound like a pretentious little cum sucker because if so how embarassing for you.
Submitted by i_can_get_you_a_toe (user info) at 2008-07-11 08:22:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Poots (user info) at 2008-07-11 08:17:54 EDT (#)
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and how does our dic tate mr toe?
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Please don't tell me you were trying to be witty?
Because if you were, how embarassing for you.
Submitted by Poots (user info) at 2008-07-11 08:17:54 EDT (#)
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and how does our dic tate mr toe?
Submitted by i_can_get_you_a_toe (user info) at 2008-07-11 08:03:00 EDT (#)
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I don't have the same government as you, but it's the same old bullshit everywhere nowadays. The fact of the matter is, it's not the government that scares me as much as the people that buy into thier bullshit.
'Let's put more CCTV cameras in public places - it'll stop crime!'
And people believe it - not caring that thier given right to freedom is in jeopardy.
And it sucks, because even though I live on the other side of the world from America - American policies dictate how the rest of us live.
Submitted by Sacrilicious (user info) at 2008-07-11 07:20:47 EDT (#)
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It frightens me that the same Americans who cry freedom and wave their flags wildly don't seem to care when their rights are violated or their freedom is unreasonably limited from within. I support Obama, but this is very disturbing.
Hillary Clinton voted against FISA.
JOHN MCCAIN DIDN'T VOTE ON IT AT ALL, HE STAYED HOME..AND IS NOW CRITICIZING OBAMA FOR FLIPFLOPPING. What a coward.
Submitted by Method (user info) at 2008-07-11 07:16:52 EDT (#)
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Something about this annoyed me greatly - if I was a little more intelligent than an eggplant, I might be able to figure out what that is, but for now you come off sounding like another pretentious asshole who is thoroughly convinced that he could do a much better job of running the country than anyone who actually ever DID run the country.
Submitted by Banjo (user info) at 2008-07-11 06:54:19 EDT (#)
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Submitted by F.J.Bell (user info) at 2008-07-11 09:24:23 BST (#)
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When will you Americans stop fucking about? Just elect Hulk Hogan already.
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Britney for PRESIDENT! Why don't you all just leave her ALONE! *weeps*
Submitted by Littlebint (user info) at 2008-07-11 06:36:13 EDT (#)
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Wow American complaining and acting surprised when they find out their Politicians are corrupt and full of shit! This should be on the news or something because it's all so new!
Submitted by moneyshotforyou (user info) at 2008-07-11 06:32:02 EDT (#)
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wah fucking wah....
Submitted by F.J.Bell (user info) at 2008-07-11 06:28:42 EDT (#)
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If one of Bart's posts goes under -1, will it be punted from the front page like everybody elses?
Submitted by pen_name (user info) at 2008-07-11 06:26:39 EDT (#)
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Politics? STFU Noob
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2008-07-11 06:25:33 EDT (#)
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there is so much wrong with this post i don't know where to start.
The most corrupt presidency? Are you joking? What about Warren G. Harding, or Ulysses Grant, or for that matter Richard Nixon.
I could really go on. So many administrations have abused power. We gave democrats the choice for decent leadership, they didn't take it. Now we're stuck with a freshman senator with no leadership experience. Nice.
Submitted by AsshOly (user info) at 2008-07-11 05:48:16 EDT (#)
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this sounds to me like unauthorized opinion making.
you know, people bitch about pointless laws every day. the speed limit is too low on this street, it shouldnt be breaking and entering if nobody owns the building, i want to hump dead alligators in jacksonville and throw mooses out of airplanes in montana, blah blah blah.
if you become president you deserve to break all the rules you want. in fact, you are almost obligated to do so, so that those stupid laws can be changed.
and really. if there is any one person in the entire world to whom our laws shouldn't always apply, maybe it's the president.
i'm half kidding. half.
Submitted by beeltea (user info) at 2008-07-11 05:30:15 EDT (#)
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Va El Gordo!
Look, the democratic party gave the nation a person who was fit for the position.
Bill Richardson has leadership experience, has served as a foreign diplomat (numerous times) and has the charisma and charm to lead. Hey, you didn't want him, so now you are comlaining about Barack. Well, fuck you people.
Submitted by BranDo (user info) at 2008-07-11 05:14:04 EDT (#)
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Wow, that sucks.
Not the post but more the content.
Well written too.
Goodluck in november!
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2008-07-11 05:06:40 EDT (#)
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I told you to vote for El Gordo. Now look what you've gotten us into. Thanks a lot, Bart.
Submitted by F.J.Bell (user info) at 2008-07-11 05:04:22 EDT (#)
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Easy solution to that orph - red white and blue bandanna.
Submitted by orph (user info) at 2008-07-11 05:02:39 EDT (#)
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Submitted by F.J.Bell (user info) at 2008-07-11 04:24:23 EDT (#)
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When will you Americans stop fucking about? Just elect Hulk Hogan already.
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If he was running, I'm sure he'd have a shot - I mean, look who they vote for now.
One question, where would the american flag pin be placed - when the presidential suit is ripped off during speeches, we can't have old glory falling on the floor.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2008-07-11 04:26:34 EDT (#)
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Berty would make a good stalker.
I can imagine him taking a fancy to Carol Thatcher and spying on her whilst perched on top of a hill, Berty not Carol. EVerytime Carol popped for her copy of the Daily Mail, Berty would chase her, ducking behind discarded bins so he wasn't discovered. Unitil one day Carol caught a glimpse of him and tore towards him like champion the wonder horse, pinning him to the ground, ripping off his shirt and riding him senseless.
Submitted by F.J.Bell (user info) at 2008-07-11 04:24:23 EDT (#)
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When will you Americans stop fucking about? Just elect Hulk Hogan already.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2008-07-11 04:15:46 EDT (#)
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Bart Bart! By my calculations it is 3 in the morning where you are! Should you not be in bed?
Anyway, if only for the sake of devils advocate, I feel I should point out that it is the responsibility of government to pass new laws and examine existing law. Now I get that you're saying you don't agree with the ethics for this because you reckon this power can be abused by those in power to 'get' their own political opponents, whoever they may be, but this strikes me more as a concern about political structure rather than ethics.
One man's vile curse is another's hail mary, and all that.
Furthermore it could be argued, and I've got a bit of time on my hands so I will argue it, that the passage of laws such as this and DNA tracking are neccesary in a technologically evolving society. The alternative would be for government to sit stagnant as the world changes around it.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2008-07-11 04:09:22 EDT (#)
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Bartastsic