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Submitted by Sexualchocolate (View user info) at 2010-02-08 07:56:21 EST
Being from the UK, I feel abortions should be obligatory for anyone who can't financially support themselves, let alone their undeserved offspring.
There should be parenting licenses for those who pay their way, which should be removed when coming to the state, hand out asking for complete financial support.
As a working, taxpaying individual I’ve found it extremely difficult funding this first month of parenthood, mostly due to the fact that in order to take time off work to get to know my child (2 weeks) I've had to take a hit of 1/3 of this month’s wages. I feel that as someone who has been paying income TAX for 10+ years I should qualify for a little of that Tax back to help start my family. Rather than all my tax money going to those who can have kids willy-nilly without financial worry as they are 100% supported by the state, and for their kids to simply entitle them to more of our communal money. For me and my partner to have to go without food, during a time where it is so important for my partner to be nourished (breastfeeding) simply because we earn too much to get any help, but that the statutory paternity and maternity pay do not cover the bills let alone the buying of food is ridicutarded.
If people who can't afford to support themselves without the help of the rest of us were banned from having babies, there would be more money in the pot to support those of us who should be reproducing, those of us who will set a good example of "Mummy and Daddy go to work to earn money to buy nice things" to our kids.
This would remove the problem in this country where most kids are born to families where Mummy and Daddy don't go to work, but we have everything we could possibly want, so why should I get a job? If I want a bigger house, I'll just have a few more kids. Mum got pregnant at 16 so why shouldn’t I?
While those who should be reproducing find it too difficult to afford whilst maintaining a career and paying their bills and taxes.
We are financially encouraging those who will not raise responsible children and those who have no responsibility themselves to multiply as rapidly as possible, to have as many children as they can. "You have 4 kids and no job?" You're going to need a free 5 bedroom house, and a hefty cheque from the State every month. You have one kid and both parents have a job? Shit, you'll be just fine, but don't forget, we need 20+% of everything you earn to give to those "less fortunate than you" (Not less fortunate, less fucking responsible) and we will throw down some scraps to you so you can take some time off with your new baby. Problem is that the scraps are not enough to live on unless (like the unemployed) you're getting your rent paid, you're exempt from council tax and you have no reason to drive a car on extortionate fuel.
I may sound bitter here, but I’m going through the "paternity month" right now and that 1/3 of my wages that I missed out on this month are hitting us really hard, rent and tax have been paid, but we're living off family food donations and borrowing money for nappies. While my Sister in law (5 kids, never worked a day in her life) is booking a holiday in the Dominican Republic - using my fucking money to pay for it.
Simple solution - you get pregnant and you haven't got a job (and as a result no parenting license) - OBLIGATORY ABORTION and charged for the crime of parenting without a license.
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Submitted by Icedevil (user info) at 2010-02-24 08:16:37 EST (#)
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100% back this topic, fuck the moochers, get a job or go back to your own fucking country cos your of no use here and if your from this country..............*SLAP* wake the fuck up and smell the roses, no more benefits motherfucker, eat fucking rats for all i care and learn your education from the oracle that is a discarded SUN newspaper that youve been sleeping under because i repoed you fucking house so someone usefull could live there.
@TuTs - your comment about australia holds no grasp here, its not a discusiion about australia, britain is this way due to accepting mass fucking immigration from useless cunts with no ambition or intention to work, simply to kill the system.
Your government has it striaght, stop em at the border, if your found to be looking to cheat the system, GTFO attitude employed.
Bring that to britain, all this would end.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-13 19:56:39 EST (#)
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I'm all for killing the mothers as well. And the fathers if we can round them up. A bullet through the belly should take care of things nicely.
Submitted by netimportant (user info) at 2010-02-13 19:17:29 EST (#)
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Stupid motherfuckers always reproduce too early and too often...that's the only thing they've got going for them. And we don't REALLY want their population to decrease, do we? I want to make goddamn sure there are plenty of people to clean my house and pool when I get rich. Ideally they'll be too dumb to steal from me.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2010-02-10 00:04:35 EST (#)
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oh jesus, what a dumbass argument, by a clueless coddled middle-class douche.
the only thing that is tenable is that parents get two chances - if you have two kids, and they both end up in state care or foster care or whatever because youre such a fuckup - you get your tubes tied or snipped, whichever your gender may be. you had your shot, loser, and made sure you passed on your dna enough to at least replace your worthless hide, now you dont get to anymore. to receive any sort of government assistance in the ongoing future, sign this paper and come in for this simple procedure and we're all good.
no more welfare parents pumping out kids they neglect, so they can suckle upon the state teat until theyre old enough to get the aged pension. yet people are still free to have kids as we all need them to (because we need more than just doctors, lawyers, marketing execs and whatever else white-collar jobs you deem to be 'worthwhile'), WITHOUT the need for some horrific fucking abortion plan.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2010-02-09 16:10:23 EST (#)
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Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:27:39 EST (#)
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I'm gonna duct tape all your vaginas shut. This is such a stupid argument. It's not feasable, and if you all want to bitch about people "abusing the system", then you have a lot more to worry about than the welfare system.
What about people who abuse workmans comp., insurance, disability, any of it?
What about them?
Should we regulate everything to the Nth degree because SOMEONE might be abusing the system? No. We should get the government out of our panties OTHER ways.
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I am allf ro cracking down on people who abuse those sytems as well. The difference is that someoen abusing those systems doesn't put a burden on they system that will be there 50+ years.
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2010-02-09 14:47:11 EST (#)
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hey dont be hatin - chavs need mcEwans and fags, innit?
Submitted by nitty34 (user info) at 2010-02-09 13:39:48 EST (#)
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I've said on here for years that all women of childbearing age should be given a surgical birth control implant immediately upon qualifying for welfare.
It wasn't received very well.
I still think I'm right. If you can't support yourself, how can you support someone else? That's right - you can't. I'll have to. And I don't want to.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-09 08:52:01 EST (#)
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Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2010-02-09 03:24:39 EST (#)
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ubmitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 21:04:06 EST (#)
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What does that have to do with anything I've said ever?..
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not a damn thing
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OK. What did it have to do with the post in general?
Submitted by sexualchocolate1984 (user info) at 2010-02-09 04:49:49 EST (#)
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This isn't about rich and poor, this is about contributing and not contributing.
The kids of unemployed (by choice) slackers do not grow up to be road workers, factory workers, bin men, office monkeys or any other useful workforce, they grow up to be unemployed slackers.
We don't want a world of Doctors and Lawyers, we want a world of contributors, a responsible society. We should be financialy encouraging those who set a responsible example to their kids and financially discouraging those who won't.
In the UK, there is no poor anymore, the government takes so much from the rest of us that they can give "a good standard of living" to those who don't support themselves, so much so that there is absolutely no desire to become responsible, for these people, who SHOULD be poor there is no incentive to get up in the morning and go to work because you're given a "good standard of living" just for having a few kids.
I support keeping those who don't support themselves poor, not dying, starving or naked, but not sat at home watching Sky TV on their HD set, smoking expensive cigarettes and drinking whisky all day.
If they, and their kids were actually poor, had to go without the luxury things that the rest of us work for at least the kids would ask "so mummy, so and so next door has a nice car/TV/house/holiday's, how come we don't? - and the only answer would be "because mummy doesn't work."
Kids need an incentive to become responsible adults, by giving all irresponsible adults a good standard of living and increasing that standard of living for each kid they push out you are setting the wrong example while increasing the number of kids effected by that example.
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2010-02-09 03:24:39 EST (#)
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ubmitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 21:04:06 EST (#)
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What does that have to do with anything I've said ever?..
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not a damn thing, just answered your question and went about my business
regardless of what you think, this post doesn't revolve around you
and, when you try to crowbar an independent and unrelated thought into a post via one of my replys, you're only doomed to failure
Submitted by imreadingleavemealone (user info) at 2010-02-09 02:06:09 EST (#)
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You suck.
Submitted by ridiculous (user info) at 2010-02-09 01:08:40 EST (#)
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Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2010-02-08 12:44:25 EST (#)
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That's it. I am going to invent a flavorful diet beer that has sperm-production inhibitors, antivirals, antibiotics, guarana, and Viagra in it. I figure I can sell it for about $30 a bottle. I'll call it "Erector/Deflector Nectar". I figure it'll be two maybe three weeks before I become the planet's first septillionaire.
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I will financially back this endeavor.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 22:49:24 EST (#)
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... and facism, communism and socialism are all the same thing, and Obama is out to kill you. I know. Look, things like politics and reality just aren't your cup, so maybe we should try something more your speed. Hey, I heard balls are round!
Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2010-02-08 21:43:40 EST (#)
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parenting license requirement = mass killing spree. there is no other solution.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 21:04:06 EST (#)
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Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2010-02-08 20:05:58 EST (#)
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:27:44 EST (#)
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What I'm trying to ascertain here is how lousy parents not having children would equate to fewer police, judges, or correctional officers.
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i never said or implied that
i indicated quite the opposite
i've seen hundreds quite possibly thousands of kids, who've never recieved proper parenting,
turn a simple interaction(between law enforment personal and themselves/or even another member of society)turn into a felony and just because they wanted to be; "the man" "respected" or whatever, for a few seconds
congratulations! you've just fucked the rest of your life up, cut your future income by at least half, that's if you do find a trade/job and then someone to hire you, and only because no one ever taught you how to act properly around other people in society
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What does that have to do with anything I've said ever?..
Submitted by Jeanneee (user info) at 2010-02-08 20:57:49 EST (#)
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LOL "those of us who should be reproducing." Right.
Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2010-02-08 20:18:58 EST (#)
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all idiots take notice: this scenario is what happens when liberals are in control, and governments gets too big. obama is trying to bring this exact scenario to america. don't let it happen.
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2010-02-08 20:05:58 EST (#)
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:27:44 EST (#)
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What I'm trying to ascertain here is how lousy parents not having children would equate to fewer police, judges, or correctional officers.
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i never said or implied that
i indicated quite the opposite
i've seen hundreds quite possibly thousands of kids, who've never recieved proper parenting,
turn a simple interaction(between law enforment personal and themselves/or even another member of society)turn into a felony and just because they wanted to be; "the man" "respected" or whatever, for a few seconds
congratulations! you've just fucked the rest of your life up, cut your future income by at least half, that's if you do find a trade/job and then someone to hire you, and only because no one ever taught you how to act properly around other people in society
Submitted by RoadSong (user info) at 2010-02-08 19:19:00 EST (#)
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Lets see...
What is it they do in China when a woman gets preggers with more than her one allowed child?
One per family you know. Forced abortion is it? I have heard it said that a womans neighbors get a lil extra rice if they rat her out.
Give me tainted petfood for fifty alex.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 19:18:59 EST (#)
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Submitted by august_sobriquet (user info) at 2010-02-08 18:23:53 EST (#)
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To say that it isn't an argument about social status or money is a bit...I don't know...missing at least part of the point.
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The way it is now, rich people *GASP* can afford to support more children. Certainly you can question a banking CEO's morals or parenting skills, but the simple economic fact of the matter is that he or she can afford more food, shelter, medical attention etc.
Say we took away all government subsidies for rearing chilluns. Rich people would *INHALE* still be able to afford more children. Because they have more money. I don't see how this creates a class issue (that doesn't already exist) or infringes on anyone else's rights, other than my right not to have to pay taxes to support some fuckhead's little poop factory.
If you're going to debate this, tell me why I should feel obliged to subsidize someone else's problem, and don't slip into the "OMG THERE ARE WORSE PROBLEMS OUT THERE" cop out, because it's pure bullshit and could be used for just about anything shy of the spontaneous combustion of the multiverse.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:42:15 EST (#)
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I know you're not saying I abuse the system, but I'm saying, yes, of course the system if flawed, so these right wing "auto abortion" tactics are fucked, and anyone supporting them is fucked.
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See, Augustus? Don't pull this crap. It's like saying "Haiti sure got screwed in that whole earthquake thing, but you know shit happens all over the world and I'd rather spend this $20 on beer."
Also, the ultra right=religious right=pro life whackos. Trust.
Submitted by august_sobriquet (user info) at 2010-02-08 18:23:53 EST (#)
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I do not like money. I mean, I guess it has got to all run on something, and there has to be some way to measure how productive/lazy someone is, but to my mind, wealth is just not an adequate measure of worth since MANY people work their asses off and destroy their health for peanuts, yet are still looked down on for being poor and low class.
So, someone who doesn't have the mental licks to be in a high earning career is basically stuck making the wage our society deems is appropriate for them to make. Since most of us are "average" or probably below that, in Icarus's "supply and demand" reference, we are in a much larger supply pool, and therefore just not able to get as big of a slice of the pie as we'd like or need.
To say that it isn't an argument about social status or money is a bit...I don't know...missing at least part of the point.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:42:15 EST (#)
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I know you're not saying I abuse the system, but I'm saying, yes, of course the system if flawed, so these right wing "auto abortion" tactics are fucked, and anyone supporting them is fucked.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:39:20 EST (#)
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Note: I am not saying you are abusing the system.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:38:37 EST (#)
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Like I said, I'm all for a safety net. I also worked in social work, and believe me, the number of people who abuse the system (and the number of case workerss encouraging people to do so) is a lot higher than you'd think. Even subsidies seem kind of stupid. Why should I pay for someone else's burden? Do I ask all parents to pay $1K a year towards my koi pond or apiary? No. And the apiary, at least, provides much-needed pollination.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:34:59 EST (#)
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Thats my point, Icarus. Not everyone "popping out kids" is doing it at a bad place or during a bad time. A lot of us do it when shit's pretty good, and then shit happens and well, here we are.
We can't abolish an entire system because of those few people who abuse it.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:32:51 EST (#)
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See, that't the thing. If you had kids when financially viable, I'm all for a safety net to cover you when the economy goes to fuck. If, on the other hand, you're down on your luck and pop a bun in the oven expecting Uncle Sam to subsidize your new burden, I think you should be turned down for every assistance imaginable.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:31:14 EST (#)
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Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:27:39 EST (#)
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I'm gonna duct tape all your vaginas shut. This is such a stupid argument. It's not feasable, and if you all want to bitch about people "abusing the system", then you have a lot more to worry about than the welfare system.
What about people who abuse workmans comp., insurance, disability, any of it?
What about them?
Should we regulate everything to the Nth degree because SOMEONE might be abusing the system? No. We should get the government out of our panties OTHER ways.
Shit, I wont lie, I get my daycare paid for, for the most part. I pay 200 a month for daycare. I get no foodstamps, no insurance, no cash assistance.
I'd be fucked without my daycare paid for. I can NOT find a better job (living in michigan might have something to do with that), and if the government didnt help me a little, I'd HAVE no job.
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I would bitch about those things, but they don't increase the amount of time I spend in traffic. Also, think of all the people who'd be employed duct taping peoples' vaginas shut and handing out parental licenses. Our recession problems would be over*.
* If you don't count the enormous national debt we'll go into purchasing all that duct tape. :(
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:29:24 EST (#)
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Mind you, when I got pregnant I had a better job and so did my man. We split up, I lost my job, and here I am, fucked, financially. I keep afloat, but if I didn't have some assistance, I'd be homeless.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:27:44 EST (#)
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Yeah, I got your little metaphor there. I'm quick like that. What I'm trying to ascertain here is how lousy parents not having children would equate to fewer police, judges, or correctional officers.
I know several police officers, and a few jail guards from martial arts. All came from middle/upper class homes. If you're trying to say that the "oil" (ie poor people) employ said careers, I'm pretty sure that people from middle/upper class families also get arrested. If Hollywood's an example, the rich are more of a legal trainwreck than the poor.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:27:39 EST (#)
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I'm gonna duct tape all your vaginas shut. This is such a stupid argument. It's not feasable, and if you all want to bitch about people "abusing the system", then you have a lot more to worry about than the welfare system.
What about people who abuse workmans comp., insurance, disability, any of it?
What about them?
Should we regulate everything to the Nth degree because SOMEONE might be abusing the system? No. We should get the government out of our panties OTHER ways.
Shit, I wont lie, I get my daycare paid for, for the most part. I pay 200 a month for daycare. I get no foodstamps, no insurance, no cash assistance.
I'd be fucked without my daycare paid for. I can NOT find a better job (living in michigan might have something to do with that), and if the government didnt help me a little, I'd HAVE no job.
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:18:52 EST (#)
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:09:40 EST (#)
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To dumb it down, those jobs pay. Since they pay, people will do them. Even when you didn't have as people, there were still enough around to do those jobs.
In other words, your point is shite.
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are you really that fucking stupid ???
oil = kids with lousy parents
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:14:17 EST (#)
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and you probably still smoke weed, so f.u, daddy
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:13:46 EST (#)
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Also the biggest slobs and spongers I know come from middle class families. my mate is a single mum she is doing a course, she takes welfare and her famliy are very well of. Yet the girl I know who have parents who are work shy has two jobs and ambition.
You are just a prat.
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:11:59 EST (#)
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Mummy and Daddy go to work to earn money to buy nice things" to our kids.
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You teach your kid to be materialiotic?! Bad parent.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:09:40 EST (#)
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To dumb it down, those jobs pay. Since they pay, people will do them. Even when you didn't have as people, there were still enough around to do those jobs.
In other words, your point is shite.
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2010-02-08 17:05:46 EST (#)
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w t f ????
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 16:58:32 EST (#)
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Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2010-02-08 16:43:59 EST (#)
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but, but, but what about all the:
police officers
correction officers
parole officers
probation officers
judges, clerks and courtroom personal
institution construction trades
drug dealers
alcohol manufactures
gun manufactures
etc......
we need that new "oil" to keep the machine running properly
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Why is everyone assuming that...
A. This is about money or social status (we're only asking that you have enough cash to support the child you're bringing into this world)
B. Even IF A came to be, the children of all doctors/lawyers would grow up to be doctors/lawyers.
If there were an abundance of doctors/lawyers, and a dearth of police officers/sewer cleaners/janitors/retail clerks, avg pay of doctors/lawyer would go down and avg pay of beat cops/sewer cleaners would go up. Honestly, there's a guy who collects roadkill around here that make more than most pharmacists. Sometimes shitty jobs pay simply because no one else wants to do them.
Submitted by orphelia (user info) at 2010-02-08 16:47:30 EST (#)
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I only skimmed this cos basically you are a cunt.
But I have worked the shittest jobs and hardly eaten in order to look after myself and my son.
There were periods I fell on very hard times and was able to claim but I didn't as I have the education not to. Others are not so lucky.
There are women out there who, I am sure, take advantage of the system but tough new rules mean that is nowadays very difficult.
Currnetly I work the vilest job ever, I hate it, but it pays very well and it helps out my kids dad but it's a struggle.
You do seem bitter. Maybe I should have a rant about all the men out there who appear to be good dads for a few months, years and then fuck off without a trace to avoid csa.
cunt
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2010-02-08 16:43:59 EST (#)
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but, but, but what about all the:
police officers
correction officers
parole officers
probation officers
judges, clerks and courtroom personal
institution construction trades
drug dealers
alcohol manufactures
gun manufactures
etc......
we need that new "oil" to keep the machine running properly
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 16:13:47 EST (#)
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The one thing I think people really need to look at is the total cost of parenting. Last I heard, it's something like $200K. If you revoked the child subsidies, this would push it up around $220K... which is the price of a starter home around here.
Do I make good money? Yes. Do I make good enough money to say "Hey, I can afford to sink $220K into a new burden"? No. If I'm old an need assistance, I've set aside enough money to hire a private nurse.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 15:58:25 EST (#)
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That is awesome.
Except the child would be calling me "papah" (like the British do).
And we'd all be wearing colonial-era clothing.
And randomly firing muskets at the redneck natives outside the stockade fence.
You also forgot my wife, who would be making candles and knitting flags in the background.
Also, some local children would be hired to dress up as redcoats and march about the yard whilst playing "The British Grenadier" on fife and drum.
It's not really about money or social class, though. My only real contention is that people should have enough to support a child. I don't mind helping people out if they legitamitely fall on hard times. Helping people out when they fall on hard times and then decide to go out and produce another mouth to feed is another matter. Anyone on government assistance should really get mandatory birth control.
Submitted by august_sobriquet (user info) at 2010-02-08 15:51:23 EST (#)
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In a future where Icarus deigns to spawn a child,
"can I go play with the kids outside the fence, dad?"
"no, son, they are poor, and therefore inferior."
"but it looks like fun, and I'm tired of monitoring the security cameras for suspicious activity. My eyes are hurting."
"you know what is fun, son? Working your best years away at a menial job indoors (IT support) with decent pay and benefits so that we can afford to keep ourselves separated from the losers outside the fence, and also to buy rocks to put in the yard and run water over them."
"but dad, that doesn't sound like..."
"eyes on that screen mister. that perimeter doesn't maintain itself!"
In a better world than the one we are in, people would not be marginalized and dehumanized for not having a lot of money. They would just be sent to camps where their basic needs of food, water, and shelter were met using established minimum standards, and any children that were somehow conceived despite the mandated chemical castration would be given to well off barren couples (once they passed all applicable examination and testing procedures of course.)
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 15:24:06 EST (#)
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I don't think we have to go to THAT extreme. We are civilized, after all. We have glue. And duct tape. And zippers.
Submitted by corn_nugget (user info) at 2010-02-08 15:14:39 EST (#)
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Why don't we just start sewing vaginas shut?
Submitted by RoadSong (user info) at 2010-02-08 15:01:37 EST (#)
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move to the country and eat peaches? {where the water tastes like wine}
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 14:41:18 EST (#)
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If the village doesn't create a child, it has no responsibility in raising it. I'm all for pre or post-natal abortions. I think there should also be an open season on annoying toddlers in restaurants. Just imagine, little Kimmy is sitting there screaming when SPLOOSH, her tiny head is shattered by a crossbow dart.
Children are real fuckers.
Submitted by august_sobriquet (user info) at 2010-02-08 14:04:35 EST (#)
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It just goes back to the old saying, It takes a village to raise a child. Which I believe. It does. It is just that our villages are gigantic, weird, and all around fucked up.
It has all gone despairingly wrong. I worry.
Submitted by CaptainThorns (user info) at 2010-02-08 13:19:19 EST (#)
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If you can't afford to support your own child, taxes/time off or not, then you have absolutely no say in telling other people whether they should have/abort kids or not, regardless of their situation.
I kindly refer you to the words of Atticus in "To Kill A Mockingbird."
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2010-02-08 13:05:31 EST (#)
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yes, the government controlling parenting, nothing could possibly go wrong with that.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2010-02-08 12:52:17 EST (#)
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Dudes, let's talk about how the insurance companies gladly fork out for Viagra but then turn around and either 1) won't pay for birth control pills, or 2) only pay a fraction.
Uh...HELLO!
Some of us don't just take the pill to avoid pregnancy. Some of us take the pill for hormone regulation and birth control.
Look, I've tried but I just can't get too upset over the plight of some 65 year old man who has trouble getting it up. It's different if he's a younger man who has a medical condition, but lookit you old farts, if it don't work no more, maybe that's a hint to hang it up.
I can get upset over women who desire to control their reproduction but then are treated unequally by Big Pharma and Big Insurance.
Even some generic bc pills are expensive as fuck.
Submitted by skrapmetal (user info) at 2010-02-08 12:44:25 EST (#)
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How about the potential parents taking on some personal responsibility for their actions before they become actual parents? How about having the forethought to avoid pregnancy in the first place? No pregnancy = no need for an abortion = no state-borne costs for womb-brooming or raising unwanted children on this grossly overpopulated and underresourced planet. It's just too simple to avoid getting pregnant. Hormones, foam, creme, condoms (male and female), rhythm, morning-after pill, pull-out-and-spray-it-on-her-ass-like-a-porn-star... there's just no excuse for an unwanted pregnancy. Says the guy with no kids that I know of.
That's it. I am going to invent a flavorful diet beer that has sperm-production inhibitors, antivirals, antibiotics, guarana, and Viagra in it. I figure I can sell it for about $30 a bottle. I'll call it "Erector/Deflector Nectar". I figure it'll be two maybe three weeks before I become the planet's first septillionaire.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2010-02-08 12:39:30 EST (#)
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Yes indeed.
My kid is almost 19 months now... it is truly the greatest thing in the whole world. I'm very happy for you... get some sleep.
Best advice we got: sleep when they sleep.
Naps in our culture I highly under-rated. Turns out they are pure, uncut awesome.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 12:02:24 EST (#)
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Submitted by TuTs (user info) at 2010-02-08 11:32:53 EST (#)
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@Sexual chocolate, I'm not American and what is happening to you is obviously why I am surrounded by people who have english accents every bloody place I go. Also all you english migrating over here and converting your pound to Australian dollars, has driven the housing costs up so high, that my town is now one of the most expensive places to live. Thankyou very much English middle class.
Also your class system sucks, over here if you make enough money, you are upper class. Over there for some reason, you have to be born into the upper classes, to be upper class. So stop coming over here and looking down on someone because one of his great-great-great granparents stole a loaf of bread. Also tell your lot to stop complaining about the bloody heat, ok? It gets hot, every summer deal with it and take those bloody socks off from under your sandals, you look like a bloody drongo.
Also Home and Away, Neighbours, they aren't documentaries, no I'm not a foster kid and we don't consider our Neighbours to be our good friends. So tell them to stop trying to engage me in conversation every time I leave my front door. Also roses and grass, waste fucking water. Your stupid english gardens don't work over here, because we live in a fucking desert and it doesn't fucking rain, so stop wasting my water on your petunias. WE MIGHT NEED IT TO DRINK ONE DAY!!!! especially if your lot keep moving here and stealing our resources. Also what the fuck is a fucking petunia?
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Pip pip cheerio, motherfuckers!
Submitted by sexualchocolate1984 (user info) at 2010-02-08 11:51:31 EST (#)
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@Tuts
I appreciate that you're not American, most of my family live in Australia - not British, originally from Sri Lanka (aka Silon) and when shit kicked off there they all moved to Oz, a few generations back, but a few of us came to this God forsaken Country, for some reason...
I would love to live in Australia (apart from the ridiculous media ratings system, as a game addict) and would certainly not consider growing roses or looking down on the natives for any reason.
It's the British Welfare system i'm talking about here, i have zero experience on the Australian welfare system, apart from the odd month over there every few years I've never known what it's like to actually live and work over there.
I'm jealous of you by the way, it's a fantastic place.
Submitted by F.J.Bell (user info) at 2010-02-08 11:39:49 EST (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2010-02-08 16:38:31 GMT (#)
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Submitted by TuTs (user info) at 2010-02-08 10:32:53 CST (#)
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@Sexual chocolate, I'm not American and what is happening to you is obviously why I am surrounded by people who have english accents every bloody place I go. Also all you english migrating over here and converting your pound to Australian dollars, has driven the housing costs up so high, that my town is now one of the most expensive places to live. Thankyou very much English middle class.
Also your class system sucks, over here if you make enough money, you are upper class. Over there for some reason, you have to be born into the upper classes, to be upper class. So stop coming over here and looking down on someone because one of his great-great-great granparents stole a loaf of bread. Also tell your lot to stop complaining about the bloody heat, ok? It gets hot, every summer deal with it and take those bloody socks off from under your sandals, you look like a bloody drongo.
Also Home and Away, Neighbours, they aren't documentaries, no I'm not a foster kid and we don't consider our Neighbours to be our good friends. So tell them to stop trying to engage me in conversation every time I leave my front door. Also roses and grass, waste fucking water. Your stupid english gardens don't work over here, because we live in a fucking desert and it doesn't fucking rain, so stop wasting my water on your petunias. WE MIGHT NEED IT TO DRINK ONE DAY!!!! especially if your lot keep moving here and stealing our resources. Also what the fuck is a fucking petunia?
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This was fucking awesome!
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2010-02-08 11:38:31 EST (#)
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Submitted by TuTs (user info) at 2010-02-08 10:32:53 CST (#)
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@Sexual chocolate, I'm not American and what is happening to you is obviously why I am surrounded by people who have english accents every bloody place I go. Also all you english migrating over here and converting your pound to Australian dollars, has driven the housing costs up so high, that my town is now one of the most expensive places to live. Thankyou very much English middle class.
Also your class system sucks, over here if you make enough money, you are upper class. Over there for some reason, you have to be born into the upper classes, to be upper class. So stop coming over here and looking down on someone because one of his great-great-great granparents stole a loaf of bread. Also tell your lot to stop complaining about the bloody heat, ok? It gets hot, every summer deal with it and take those bloody socks off from under your sandals, you look like a bloody drongo.
Also Home and Away, Neighbours, they aren't documentaries, no I'm not a foster kid and we don't consider our Neighbours to be our good friends. So tell them to stop trying to engage me in conversation every time I leave my front door. Also roses and grass, waste fucking water. Your stupid english gardens don't work over here, because we live in a fucking desert and it doesn't fucking rain, so stop wasting my water on your petunias. WE MIGHT NEED IT TO DRINK ONE DAY!!!! especially if your lot keep moving here and stealing our resources. Also what the fuck is a fucking petunia?
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This was fucking awesome!
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2010-02-08 11:34:38 EST (#)
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shut upppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
Submitted by TuTs (user info) at 2010-02-08 11:32:53 EST (#)
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@Sexual chocolate, I'm not American and what is happening to you is obviously why I am surrounded by people who have english accents every bloody place I go. Also all you english migrating over here and converting your pound to Australian dollars, has driven the housing costs up so high, that my town is now one of the most expensive places to live. Thankyou very much English middle class.
Also your class system sucks, over here if you make enough money, you are upper class. Over there for some reason, you have to be born into the upper classes, to be upper class. So stop coming over here and looking down on someone because one of his great-great-great granparents stole a loaf of bread. Also tell your lot to stop complaining about the bloody heat, ok? It gets hot, every summer deal with it and take those bloody socks off from under your sandals, you look like a bloody drongo.
Also Home and Away, Neighbours, they aren't documentaries, no I'm not a foster kid and we don't consider our Neighbours to be our good friends. So tell them to stop trying to engage me in conversation every time I leave my front door. Also roses and grass, waste fucking water. Your stupid english gardens don't work over here, because we live in a fucking desert and it doesn't fucking rain, so stop wasting my water on your petunias. WE MIGHT NEED IT TO DRINK ONE DAY!!!! especially if your lot keep moving here and stealing our resources. Also what the fuck is a fucking petunia?
Submitted by sexualchocolate1984 (user info) at 2010-02-08 11:21:01 EST (#)
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"Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 11:16:35 EST (#)
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But we do have the right to say "we're not going to subsidize your problem. If you can't feed it, tough shit." Of course we won't because we have the histrionic bleeding hearts who don't want anyone to die or suffer in any manner no matter how detramental they are or how much they deserve it. "Think of the children", they'll say. Not thinking that these children will eventually become adults who will in all likelihood make the same idiotic choices and become the same burden on society that their parents are.
But God forbid we kill any of them as there's that 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance one of them could eventually grow up to write a book."
THIS.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 11:20:22 EST (#)
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I just did. That was epic. And a very good argument towards preemptive abortions.
FYI I think we should not only strap these redneck/white filth/ghetto women down, but record their suffering and broadcast it on pay per view. It would make for epic viewing.
Submitted by sexualchocolate1984 (user info) at 2010-02-08 11:18:09 EST (#)
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@ tuts
"oh and sexual chocolate, if you are really so poor you can't eat, do what the poor do and don't pay your rent for that week or go and hock some electronics. I know poor people and living on welfare isn't as glamorous as that little picture you have painted."
Maybe in the US the welfare system doesn't pay out as well as it does here in the UK, however over here I don't know a single unemployed person on benefits who doesn't have a nice HD TV a Sky subscription, broadband, drinks, smokes etc etc - and i know a good few people on benefits - there are PLENTY over here.
Also, if I don't pay my rent one month, i get kicked out. If someone on benefits doesn't they get it paid for them. If i get a criminal record for hocking electronics, I lose my job - something else those on benefits don't have to worry about. If I get sick I have to pay for my prescriptions, they don't, when my boy goes to school i have to pay for his dinners, they don't - they don't pay because I pay it for them and I can't afford the things they have?!?!
I am the working poor, the forgotten class. I work hard but the cost of living over here is so high that i'm left with less than those who don't work at all.
I'm a big supporter of food stamps - let them buy all the food and clothing they need for their kids, but when you start giving those who are irresponsible enough to not work to support their family hundreds of pounds in cash each week they innevitably spend it on luxury things that those of us who work can't afford.
I was seeing a single mum a few years back, I'll never forget her feeding her kids crisps and cerial for dinner, then her Giro arriving, cashing it in and going into town to get drunk. I can't afford to go into town and get drunk, because i spend the money I EARN on feeding my family properly.
- This month i'm struggling with buying food as I have to live on the £123 a week paternity allowance the government give new parents, rather than the £400+ a weak i usually earn, but i still have to pay my rent and my tax which those on benefits full time are expempt from. On a normal month, with my full wages, buying food and paying the rent isn't a problem, but i still can't afford a lot of things those on benefits enjoy - Sky TV, Smoking fags and weed all day, holidays etc.
It's sickening to be in this middle bracket in the UK right now, earn to much to get any help, spend too much on essentials to have anything left.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2010-02-08 11:16:35 EST (#)
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Check yo e-mail, foo.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 11:16:35 EST (#)
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But we do have the right to say "we're not going to subsidize your problem. If you can't feed it, tough shit." Of course we won't because we have the histrionic bleeding hearts who don't want anyone to die or suffer in any manner no matter how detramental they are or how much they deserve it. "Think of the children", they'll say. Not thinking that these children will eventually become adults who will in all likelihood make the same idiotic choices and become the same burden on society that their parents are.
But God forbid we kill any of them as there's that 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance one of them could eventually grow up to write a book.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 11:12:12 EST (#)
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Another reason I shouldn't be allowed children. I'd name a boychild Archavien and a female Quasar.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2010-02-08 11:03:04 EST (#)
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Bimmy and Jilly? Who the hell are you hanging out with, Iccy?!
Submitted by TuTs (user info) at 2010-02-08 10:57:01 EST (#)
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Personally I would kill it, but I'm not going to tell someone else that they have to and no government has the right to either. THE END.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 10:53:24 EST (#)
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"That baby you aborted could cure AIDS/Cancer/war/tornadoes". By that logic, masturbation or PMS should be banned. That semen little Bimmy just wasted could have developed into the next Nobel prize winner. That egg Jilly just threw in the wastebasket could have brought about world peace.
That child could make everything right in the world. But chances are it won't. More than likely, it will become a sack of shit. Just like its mother.
Submitted by EmissionImpossible (user info) at 2010-02-08 10:39:24 EST (#)
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SHUT UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2010-02-08 10:26:20 EST (#)
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Tuts, it would be nice if that baby turned out that way, but I doubt it. He's already showing signs of neurological problems (born with meth in his system) and he's behind other infants in terms of development. It just doesn't look good at this point. The next thing will be behavioral problems as he gets older.
Submitted by TuTs (user info) at 2010-02-08 10:21:25 EST (#)
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@ FG- Then the kid grows up and writes a kickass piece of literature about her trials and tribulations or she discovers the cure for cancer or she is just one link in a chain of people a thousand years from now who save the earth from the rampaging zombie virus. Yeah, we are all insignificant bits of stars, but to myself I'm pretty damn important. I also think that my babies are pretty important and I'm sure that your friends think their little foundling is pretty important, despite the junkie meth addict who foisted it upon them.
I also know I don't want to lose a person who could end up being pretty damn important to many, many people because they starved by the side of the road. It is just money at the end of the day, oh and sexual chocolate, if you are really so poor you can't eat, do what the poor do and don't pay your rent for that week or go and hock some electronics. I know poor people and living on welfare isn't as glamorous as that little picture you have painted.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2010-02-08 10:09:36 EST (#)
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Case in point.
My friend Cat and her boyfriend Ted are raising a baby that isn't theirs. Ted was married long ago to a woman who had a daughter (not his). The daughter grew up into a meth using, sometimes prostitute, high school drop out. Got herself knocked up by a meth using thief and high school drop out who is in and out of prison.
Instead of aborting the poor child, she had it. What she was thinking, I have no idea. But...when the baby was 3 months old, she figured out her partying/trick turning lifestyle was being cramped so she dumped the baby on her mother's former husband and his girlfriend to raise while she went out smoking meth and screwing guys for $50 in the back of their cars.
She refuses to sign over her parental rights to them because that would mean she wouldn't get to pocket the welfare. I've told my friend to call the DFS (division of family services ) and turn in the stupid meth whore, but she won't do it because she's already gotten attached to this baby and she doesn't want the baby to enter "the system."
Fucked up situation.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 09:53:10 EST (#)
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Submitted by TuTs (user info) at 2010-02-08 09:15:05 EST (#)
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 22:08:08 WST (#)
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Parents make a choice. If they don't want to be parents, they can use birth control or keep their fucking legs shut. If they choose to go against mandates and common sense and have a child they can't possibly support, who's making the bad choice? You talk about the concept of morality, how moral is it that I get taxed for someone else's burden? You have a child, you have a responsibility to support it. This means you, not I, should be paying the money required to feed it, medicate, and innoculate it. Parents should be paying $2K more per year per dependent; not getting a break.
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Ok, so assuming we only let the "smart" people breed. Their smart children are only going to go into employment that requires a brain. So we have a bunch of Doctors and Lawyers, some computer programmers, maybe some teachers and they are all going to run around and do their thing. Except ohhhhh, theres no one laying roads, digging pipes for your sewage, wiping your smelly old arse that keeps shitting itself because you are decrepit. You know why they are wiping your arse? because you were an elitist prick who didn't have his own children, so there is no one to look after you now you're all old cranky and fucking annoying.
When you are an old dribbling mess and you have no one to look after you, you will thank the working class for providing the enrolled nurses to wipe up your shit and feed you your gruel. For people who think you are so smart, you're all pretty fucking dumb.
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Ah, see, you're assuming I'm assuming we only let the 'smart' ones breed. 'Smart' isn't a quantifiable thing. I've come across janitors who could do quantum physics in their head, and PHD'd physicists who couldn't figure out how to work a mouse.
What you can quantify are factors like income, criminal record, medical history etc. This isn't to say that every parent needs to be a millionare, but they should be able to support their burden without handouts from the government. This isn't to say that parents can't have parking tickets, but they shouldn't be convicted child molesters. This isn't to say that we're going to engage in selective breeding, but if the parents have a 75% chance of producing a blind paraplegic with a high probability of developing leukemia or brain tumors, perhaps it's time we think twice.
Would rich people be able to support more children? They already can if you think about it. If you're dead set against it, perhaps we could consider something like limiting the total number of licenses handed out on a yearly basis.
Submitted by sicosemen (user info) at 2010-02-08 09:50:32 EST (#)
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Oh hey, you're taking Philosophy 101 are you? http://www.hughlafollette.com/papers/lic-par.htm
Submitted by TuTs (user info) at 2010-02-08 09:42:59 EST (#)
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In Australia we all pay tax and of course some of those taxes go to the welfare system. However, I get a little bit of money a year, just for having children and so does anyone in a family where only one person works and they earn less than $100 000 a year- everyone. If we get up off our asses and go back to school or work, the government also chips in and pays a little bit of your childcare. Everybody, regardless of how much money they earn is entitled to free healthcare and schooling. The elderly get a pension, which by the time I retire will be gone, but we have to pay into a super account, which the government also contribute to. By choice in my family we pay for the kids schooling and we have private dental cover, we also get a tax break for this.
According to me, the system works. I like my country, I don't mind some of our tax going to the barefoot woman down the road with four kids, her kids are lovely. They play with mine and might I add are way smarter. I would also feel pretty bad if they couldn't eat or go to school because I didn't like the tax system. In a third world country poverty doesn't prevent people from giving birth to children, it just means that lots of little innocents get to die a horrible death. In my country I like knowing that there is a way for people to be fed and clothed. I also like knowing that, if god forbid my partner should lose his job and for some reason I can't get one either, that there is a safety net that will catch us.
Submitted by ridiculous (user info) at 2010-02-08 09:37:49 EST (#)
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Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2010-02-08 09:31:24 EST (#)
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"...No family and whatnot and I sure as hell don't want to go into a home, so I figure I self-deliver (nice way of saying suicide)."
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I couldn't agree more. I have long since decided that if by some miracle I live long enough to get to the stage of life where I become a burdon to others (Assuming I am of the same mindset then as I am now) it will be a bottle of the finest single malt I can afford, a drunken stumble somewhere the mess will be manageable and a .45
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2010-02-08 09:31:24 EST (#)
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Hahahaha
Tuts, I didn't have children because I'm missing that chromosome that makes you want babies. I figured best not have kids when I knew I wouldn't be a good mother.
And yes, it brings up the issue about what to do when I get elderly and cannot take care of myself. No family and whatnot and I sure as hell don't want to go into a home, so I figure I self-deliver (nice way of saying suicide).
No burdening the healthcare system, no eating up tax dollars, I get to control the way I go out, seems reasonable to me.
The eugenics remark was meant to be sarcastic. However there are too many people having children who can't afford them or shouldn't be having them at all. When that happens, it creates a burden on responsible people who are asking "why the fuck do I have to pay for your choices/mistakes, eh?!"
That's all.
Submitted by F.J.Bell (user info) at 2010-02-08 09:21:22 EST (#)
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Submitted by TuTs (user info) at 2010-02-08 14:15:05 GMT (#)
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...you're all pretty fucking dumb.
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<3
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Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 22:08:08 WST (#)
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Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2010-02-08 08:51:49 EST (#)
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So you would drag a mother, kicking and screaming, to an abortion clinic, strap her down, and have the fetus, who she wants to have, aborted. Your draconian proposal makes me sick, and I hope your child doesn't inherit your twisted morals.
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Parents make a choice. If they don't want to be parents, they can use birth control or keep their fucking legs shut. If they choose to go against mandates and common sense and have a child they can't possibly support, who's making the bad choice? You talk about the concept of morality, how moral is it that I get taxed for someone else's burden? You have a child, you have a responsibility to support it. This means you, not I, should be paying the money required to feed it, medicate, and innoculate it. Parents should be paying $2K more per year per dependent; not getting a break.
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Ok, so assuming we only let the "smart" people breed. Their smart children are only going to go into employment that requires a brain. So we have a bunch of Doctors and Lawyers, some computer programmers, maybe some teachers and they are all going to run around and do their thing. Except ohhhhh, theres no one laying roads, digging pipes for your sewage, wiping your smelly old arse that keeps shitting itself because you are decrepit. You know why they are wiping your arse? because you were an elitist prick who didn't have his own children, so there is no one to look after you now you're all old cranky and fucking annoying.
When you are an old dribbling mess and you have no one to look after you, you will thank the working class for providing the enrolled nurses to wipe up your shit and feed you your gruel. For people who think you are so smart, you're all pretty fucking dumb.
Submitted by ridiculous (user info) at 2010-02-08 09:14:30 EST (#)
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Submitted by F.J.Bell (user info) at 2010-02-08 08:10:14 EST (#)
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Well I guess I kind of agree with you on principle but it is of course completely unworkable and infeasible to have obligatory abortion or that kind of thing. Some people don't even know they're pregnant until it's too late for that - it would be fairly easy to hide, too.
Now, a better idea is to have chemical castration for ALL - until such time as they are able to afford children, at which point the castration can be reversed.
Or, better yet, let's all march down to the Ministry of Truth with Winston Smith and demand the instant liberation of Oceania, lest we all commit lurid thoughtcrimes over Big Brother's mum.
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F.J. - I knew there was a reason I love you. And for the record, how thoughtful of big brother to INCREASE the chocolate ration to 20 grams per week.
P.S. Its MinTru in newspeak... oh yeah and O'brien asked me to let you know he would like to see you in room 101 a little later today.
I agree in principle that the system has broken down while those who work and are self sufficient are being raped for those who are irresponsible. I also believe that the populations just about everywhere are out of control. I also believe that it is the systems and those blindly advocating them that are the issue when it comes to welfare abuse. It is a lack of monitoring and an 'oh well, what can you do?' mentality that allows this all to continue. The government thinks the system works in that their responsibilities end at the time that the individual receives their check. If there were adequate numbers of inspectors / enforcers monitoring how these funds were being spent I think that would be far more effective and far less costly, not to mention that these are jobs to be created/filled in a recession, who'd a thunk, right?
Don't work? haven't tried looking for a job either? OK we are taking your TV, radio and all other things that are not needed for your healthy survival.
You claim to be attempting to get a job? We'll just have to talk to the HR representative with that company and see if they have a copy of your CV on file.
I do agree that the principals behind the welfare system are noble and for a few are desperately needed but the system must be geared in such a way as to promote people to use them properly, if you have worked for 25 years and got laid off, go ahead and apply for welfare for two or three months while looking for another job. If you are someone who is perfectly healthy and who has NEVER had a job and never attempted to get one then not only should you be ashamed of yourself but the government should be using whatever is in their legal arsenal to make you miserable.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2010-02-08 09:09:15 EST (#)
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I guess when you're poor and stupid there's nothing else for you to do except breed and collect welfare. Perhaps a return to eugenics....
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 09:08:08 EST (#)
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Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2010-02-08 08:51:49 EST (#)
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So you would drag a mother, kicking and screaming, to an abortion clinic, strap her down, and have the fetus, who she wants to have, aborted. Your draconian proposal makes me sick, and I hope your child doesn't inherit your twisted morals.
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Parents make a choice. If they don't want to be parents, they can use birth control or keep their fucking legs shut. If they choose to go against mandates and common sense and have a child they can't possibly support, who's making the bad choice? You talk about the concept of morality, how moral is it that I get taxed for someone else's burden? You have a child, you have a responsibility to support it. This means you, not I, should be paying the money required to feed it, medicate, and innoculate it. Parents should be paying $2K more per year per dependent; not getting a break.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2010-02-08 09:02:03 EST (#)
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And no government support for single mothers or tax break for parents. If you can't financially take care of a child, you're unfit to have one.
Submitted by HurtByTheSun (user info) at 2010-02-08 08:56:53 EST (#)
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This is all kinds of truth.
Submitted by tech-junkie (user info) at 2010-02-08 08:51:49 EST (#)
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So you would drag a mother, kicking and screaming, to an abortion clinic, strap her down, and have the fetus, who she wants to have, aborted. Your draconian proposal makes me sick, and I hope your child doesn't inherit your twisted morals.
Submitted by TuTs (user info) at 2010-02-08 08:10:40 EST (#)
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Eurgh, yukk. Shutup.
Actually no, have a rant this is a free space. Just know I disagree with you.
Submitted by F.J.Bell (user info) at 2010-02-08 08:10:14 EST (#)
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Well I guess I kind of agree with you on principle but it is of course completely unworkable and infeasible to have obligatory abortion or that kind of thing. Some people don't even know they're pregnant until it's too late for that - it would be fairly easy to hide, too.
Now, a better idea is to have chemical castration for ALL - until such time as they are able to afford children, at which point the castration can be reversed.
Or, better yet, let's all march down to the Ministry of Truth with Winston Smith and demand the instant liberation of Oceania, lest we all commit lurid thoughtcrimes over Big Brother's mum.